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Canonical announces Ubuntu for the ARM platformCanonical announces Ubuntu for the ARM platformPosted Nov 14, 2008 6:46 UTC (Fri) by kragil (guest, #34373)Parent article: Canonical announces Ubuntu for the ARM platform
Awesome idea.
I hope this will help Ubuntus resource hunger in general.
But the headline has Canonical and Ubuntu in it so it is reasonable to exspect Jspaleta to come along and write long winded posts about Ubuntu being a money scam from Europe and Mark being the devil himself etc. ;)
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Canonical announces Ubuntu for the ARM platform Posted Nov 14, 2008 7:26 UTC (Fri) by k8to (subscriber, #15413) [Link]
You were doing so well.
Canonical announces Ubuntu for the ARM platform Posted Nov 14, 2008 17:39 UTC (Fri) by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639) [Link]
Speak of the devil and he will appear.
Nokia already had a working port of Ubuntu for an ARMv5 and ARMv6 chip.
http://mojo.handhelds.org/distributions
Here's a question for you... why did Nokia need to do that work outside of the existing Ubuntu infrastructure..forcing it to play games with naming?
Why did the official Ubuntu ARM porting require Canonical to 'lead' it?
Isn't Ubuntu a community effort? Isn't there room for other business interest other than Canonical to walk in to the community and lead a port effort that makes since to them? Why does the Ubuntu community need to wait for Canonical to appear on the scene and 'officially 'lead' an ARM porting effort? The effort was already underway inside the Ubuntu community..Mojo is part of the Ubuntu community..even if its not aligned with Canonical's business plans. Ubuntu!=Canonical.
But Canonical's tight centralized control over the Ubuntu brand and its build infrastructure doesn't allow other members... more productive members...to build on the Ubuntu community brand. So Ubuntu community members who are not getting a Canonical paycheck I ask you this. Why isn't Mojo already a part of the Ubuntu family? You want Ubuntu ported to ARM right? They've done it...and it works on existing devices like Nokia's n810. Isn't that what you want to see? Why on earth isn't your project leadership making it easier to support that effort inside the Ubuntu community umbrella?
So Canonical has announced its support for ARMv7... okay. Is it going to also allow the ARMv5 and ARMv6 Ubuntu ports that Mojo has already succeeded at doing to be part of the Ubuntu family? Or is Ubuntu only big enough to support Canonical's current business plans?
I think the Ubuntu community should ask their own leadership the same question that the Mojo developers ask here:
Canonical going to lead the ARMv5 and ARMv6 effort...and if not...will the Ubuntu community be allowed to integrate the Mojo effort in a more official way?
-jef
Canonical announces Ubuntu for the ARM platform Posted Nov 14, 2008 17:52 UTC (Fri) by sbergman27 (subscriber, #10767) [Link]
So kragil was right. I had hoped that good taste might prevail this time. Do you not have something constructive to do somewhere? All the sour grapes attitudes I see expressed these days by Fedora guys do nothing to improve Fedora's position or image. And the obvious distro partisanship is reminiscent of the fragmentation of Unix in the 80s.
Canonical announces Ubuntu for the ARM platform Posted Nov 14, 2008 18:29 UTC (Fri) by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639) [Link]
Are you saying that the Mojo effort shouldn't be rolled into the Ubuntu community umbrella?
Nokia is on record about the benefits of porting the existing Ubuntu software repository onto ARM instead of making their own distribution..again.
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7548149165.html
Why on earth isn't the Ubuntu community leadership jumping up and down to get Mojo integrated directly into Ubuntu?
How is it sour grapes for me to talk about Canonical's lack of support of Mojo to date? Nokia wants Ubuntu...they are bending over backwards to port Ubuntu to the CPUs in their devices..outside of the Ubuntu release process. Pointing that out doesn't help Fedora in the slightly. It helps Nokia n800 and n810 owners however as it gives them another distribution option.
What would be sour grapes would for me to go over to Mojo and encourage them to take a look at Fedora's open and extendable build infrastructure, the expanded and more liberal Fedora trademark guidelines and to encourage them to support Fedora's ARM porting efforts by getting involved directly in that effort. But I haven't done that. I could though if that is what is expected of me.
Mojo is a port of Ubuntu to ARM...an existing port...to existing devices. It's not a press release about a port which will happen next year. Credit where credit is due...Canonical is really good with press releases.
Why isn't it part of the Ubuntu offerings? Why can't Mojo officially use the Ubuntu brand or infrastructure so these ARM ports can be released syncronized with the other arches? Isn't that a problem the Ubuntu community should want to see solved? Nokia actually contributes to upstream projects. Having them involved in Ubuntu in a more direct fashion would be a win-win-win for everyone..except maybe Canonical's own business interests.
-jef
Canonical announces Ubuntu for the ARM platform Posted Nov 15, 2008 13:33 UTC (Sat) by mdz@debian.org (subscriber, #14112) [Link]
(speaking informally on behalf of Canonical)
If you were to take a closer look at the handhelds.org port, you'd see that your question doesn't make sense. What Canonical is doing (creating an official, repeatable, source-level port of Ubuntu to ARM) is substantially different from what has been done at handhelds.org (recompiling Ubuntu source packages with minimal changes).
It doesn't make any more sense to "roll Mojo into Ubuntu" than it does to "roll CentOS into RHEL".
We're pleased that the Mojo project exists, and has helped to promote the use of Ubuntu in embedded environments. An official Ubuntu port should only make their work much, much easier, and bring more people into the Ubuntu ARM community.
You can read about what handhelds.org did here: http://mojo.handhelds.org/overview
You can read their announcement of support for Canonical's work here: http://mojo.handhelds.org/node/68
...and you can spare us all this drivel.
Canonical announces Ubuntu for the ARM platform Posted Nov 15, 2008 21:28 UTC (Sat) by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639) [Link]
Let me put a finer point on it because I may be confused. The press release mentions only ARMv7.. but a blog post on planet ubuntu mentions that to get to ARMv7 a bootstrap ARMv5 environment may be required.
ref: http://idlethread.blogspot.com/2008/11/ubuntu-on-arm_14.html
Is Canonical committing to opening up official Ubuntu ports for ARMv5 and ARMv6 that can use the existing Ubuntu branding, and shared release cycle?
Or is this just an ARMv7 offering?
If Canonical isn't committing to offering ARMv5 and ARMv6 ports under the Ubuntu community brand... why not?
If Canonical isn't committing to offering ARMv5 and ARMv6 ports under the Ubuntu community brand... can you (informally on behalf of Canonical) outline the steps that interested Ubuntu community people would need to take in order to make ARMv5 and ARMv6 ports official Ubuntu offerings which get access to the trademarks and the cna participate in the release cycle and community qa initatives ?
-jef
Canonical announces Ubuntu for the ARM platform Posted Nov 15, 2008 23:30 UTC (Sat) by mdz@debian.org (subscriber, #14112) [Link]
As Amit explained in the blog post you've referred to, the port currently in progress does in fact target ARMv5 as a baseline and selectively optimize for ARMv7.
The steps to use the official bits on ARMv5 or ARMv6 should be, well, none at all. Much of the initial development work has been done on ARMv5 devices because they're plentiful, and I expect that much of the ARM community will be testing Ubuntu on ARMv5 devices until ARMv7 devices become more widely available.
I can't comment on any future plans.
If you have further questions, you're welcome to ask them (politely) on the ubuntu-mobile mailing list.
Canonical announces Ubuntu for the ARM platform Posted Nov 15, 2008 23:50 UTC (Sat) by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639) [Link]
testing Ubuntu on ARMv5...does that mean there will be an ARMv5 Ubuntu "release"? You didn't actually say, and I'm not going to assume "testing" means "release". It could mean a PPA for all I know. If there is going to be an ARMv5 release... just throw out another press release.. or and addendum...or an announcement on a mailinglist anywhere that can be referenced for n810 owners who aspire to run Ubuntu.
Failing that is there going to be something for ARMv5/ARMv6 like the non-supported community powerpc/sparc ports already open inside Ubuntu?
ref: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/intrepid/release/
-jef"always polite"spaleta
Canonical announces Ubuntu for the ARM platform Posted Nov 20, 2008 8:30 UTC (Thu) by tajyrink (subscriber, #2750) [Link]
"on the ubuntu-mobile mailing list." See https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Canonical announces Ubuntu for the ARM platform Posted Nov 14, 2008 18:31 UTC (Fri) by SEJeff (subscriber, #51588) [Link]
As others have pointed out multiple times, you are trolling again jef. If you put 1/2 of the effort into fixing bugs in fedora or open source projects that you do on trolling Ubuntu/Canonical the world would be a better place.
Read that last sentence a few times before typing another biased comment. We don't hate on fedora because they like to break Nvidia with bleeding edge X releases do we? Nope. So grow up and get some work done that helps everyone.
Canonical announces Ubuntu for the ARM platform Posted Nov 15, 2008 1:03 UTC (Sat) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]
You are spreading misinformation now.
Fedora does not "like to break Nvidia drivers". That's a silly statement. When latest Xorg releases change the ABI, Fedora developers cannot fix the Nvidia proprietary driver to match the ABI change like they can and do for many of the other open source drivers including the open source Nvidia nv driver. Nvidia has a policy of waiting for a major distribution to include a new Xorg release in a distribution first before they update their proprietary drivers to match.
So either Fedora can wait for other distributions to include the latest Xorg release and get the blame for "breaking Nvidia drivers" or Fedora can go ahead and include it for the benefit of everyone. I think, the choice Fedora has made benefits everybody and there is no reason to hate them for it.
Canonical announces Ubuntu for the ARM platform Posted Nov 15, 2008 16:12 UTC (Sat) by alecs1 (subscriber, #46699) [Link]
This pair of comments has been on LWN before, didn't it? (or maybe this is the strongest deja-vu I ever had).
Anyway, I guess this is true, someone has to break things first.
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