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Fedora release cycles: longer or shorter?Fedora release cycles: longer or shorter?Posted Nov 13, 2008 3:09 UTC (Thu) by chromatic (guest, #26207)In reply to: Fedora release cycles: longer or shorter? by sbergman27 Parent article: Fedora release cycles: longer or shorter?
I can understand the desire for credit, but surely some of the blame rests on the fact that most reviews of new distribution releases are exceedingly bad. (Perhaps I have little in common with the intended reader, in that I find installing an operating system unbearably dull.)
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Fedora release cycles: longer or shorter? Posted Nov 13, 2008 10:35 UTC (Thu) by nim-nim (subscriber, #34454) [Link]
Credit is a big motivator for free software work. People can do free or even gratis contributions but they want at least to be credited them.
To be completely cynical, increasing the length of the Fedora cycle would have the same effect as trying to race Ubuntu. Ubuntu largely relies on Fedora to do the ground work, when they release shortly before Fedora they can claim the credit without expending a lot of resources since the Fedora features are almost finished.
It remains to be seen if Ubuntu will have the resources to stabilise Fedora stuff for the Ubuntu release date, when the Fedora release date is far enough Fedora people haven't gotten to this stage yet.
Fedora release cycles: longer or shorter? Posted Nov 14, 2008 4:39 UTC (Fri) by interalia (subscriber, #26615) [Link] It remains to be seen if Ubuntu will have the resources to stabilise Fedora stuff for the Ubuntu release date, when the Fedora release date is far enough Fedora people haven't gotten to this stage yet. I don't see how this makes sense. If Fedora delays their release and feature X ends up not being ready, then the next Ubuntu release won't have it. The one however, might. Fedora lives on the bleeding edge. This means that Ubuntu is probably always going to get the credit. If a new feature was stable, then Ubuntu's short release cycle means it gets to release with the feature first. If the feature doesn't prove stable, then likely Ubuntu may not include it but Fedora will. Then it bakes a bit more, Ubuntu puts it in their next+1 release and gets credit for "getting it right". I'm not sure Fedora can win either way, as long as they decide to be a bleeding edge distro.
Fedora release cycles: longer or shorter? Posted Nov 14, 2008 7:59 UTC (Fri) by nim-nim (subscriber, #34454) [Link]
> I don't see how this makes sense. If Fedora delays their release and
> feature X ends up not being ready, then the next Ubuntu release won't > have it. The one however, might.
But the next Ubuntu one will be four months after the Fedora one, leaving ample time for reviewers to understand who did what.
Fedora release cycles: longer or shorter? Posted Nov 17, 2008 13:36 UTC (Mon) by Ze (subscriber, #54182) [Link]
It's not a matter of winning.
If Fedora ships with it after Ubuntu , the code gets tested more and debugged more. I think when Fedora 10 ships the 3G HAL support will be better.
Yes NetworkManager 0.7 supports 3G devices but without the appropriate HAL support for hardware that people use it's a PITA. This reminds me I need to submit the HAL information for the MF636 3G USB Modem.
The Kernel drivers work with it but it just needs the HAL support so NM 0.7 knows about it.
Honestly the whole Fedora vs Ubuntu thing strikes me as a bit of a rehash of the old Redhat Vs Debian rivalry.
I can see it from both sides though. I'm sure some folks in the Fedora camp aren't happy about how popular Ubuntu has become. I'm also sure that Canonical and Ubuntu aren't doing themselves any favours by not developing launchpad in the open (open it all ready , an open source company developing a closed source application isn't really a good image).
Mark Shuttleworth also failed to understand it's not who has the most users that decides the direction of the future , it's who contributes the code. If you want Linux to go in one direction then you need to contribute the code for that direction and keep committing it and people will join you if they like that direction.
The motto for linux isn't "Show us the money", it's "Show us the code".
Fedora release cycles: longer or shorter? Posted Dec 20, 2008 2:17 UTC (Sat) by boss (guest, #55702) [Link]
Hi,
You say, "This reminds me I need to submit the HAL information for the MF636 3G USB Modem.".
I've just got this modem and I've having trouble getting it working under Ubuntu 8.10. Any chance you can post, or send, your configuration to make it work?
Thanks,
- Robi
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