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Posted Nov 9, 2008 14:20 UTC (Sun) by nix (subscriber, #2304)
(Anyone who equates reliability with 'professionalism' and professionalism
with lack of a sense of humour is someone I don't want to go anywhere
near, although I'm aware that entirely too many such odious little
small-minded incompetent prigs do exist.)
Posted Nov 9, 2008 14:51 UTC (Sun) by endecotp (guest, #36428)
I agree absolutely.
I honestly can't tell from the quoted message how important it is that I upgrade. On the face of it, it says I should upgrade. But it says it about four times with what look like jokes; is there some sort of "ironic" hidden message there that only regular LKML readers will understand? I'd be happiest if these announcements said - delete as appropriate -
(a) This release fixes known security problems;
(b) This release fixes some bugs that look bad but we don't really know if they are security issues or not;
(c) This release fixes serious bugs, but if you aren't using the affected drivers you'll not benefit from upgrading.
And get rid of the jokes.
Posted Nov 9, 2008 16:11 UTC (Sun) by TRauMa (guest, #16483)
Posted Nov 9, 2008 16:29 UTC (Sun) by PaXTeam (subscriber, #24616)
what makes you think that all the world's needs can be satisfied with those kernels? clearly that's not the case.
Posted Nov 9, 2008 17:31 UTC (Sun) by xorbe (subscriber, #3165)
World's needs? No. Enterprise needs? Sure.
Posted Nov 9, 2008 17:32 UTC (Sun) by khim (subscriber, #9252)
The fact is: nobody is interested in security. Not really. That's not
what is selling. What you can sell (and for pretty hefty sum BTW) is
perception of security. Vendor's kernels are perfect for this.
As for real security... Nothing is designed for it: linux is not
designed for security, hardware is not designed with security in mind,
etc... Yes, there are some things which can be used to enforce some [small]
degree of security, but real protection is exchanged for 15%, 10% sometimes
even 1% of additional speed!
I'm not even sure that's bad thing: sure OpenBSD is much better then
Linux security-wise, but it can not be used as replacement because it's
just too ineffective. If your OS can not process the data you want
processed it does not matter if it's secure or not. Linux is learning this
the hard way: Windows is chosen 9 times out of 10 instead of Linux because
Linux (or rather set of programs available under Linux) is just not capable
Posted Nov 9, 2008 22:26 UTC (Sun) by bojan (subscriber, #14302)
Yeah, that's what's being sold, just like with all other products. But, if a security hole gets fixed, it still makes the reality of running that kernel more secure.
Posted Nov 9, 2008 22:27 UTC (Sun) by efexis (guest, #26355)
There is plenty of interest in security, which is why so much /is/ designed with security in mind. But people have to learn, we're not born with the knowledge that we choose to live by or ignore. Most people just want it to be taken care of for them, and will pay, as learning how to secure your website, your computer, your car, your home, your communications... is a bit much for one person. Better to have different people specialise in different areas.
Posted Nov 9, 2008 23:05 UTC (Sun) by endecotp (guest, #36428)
OpenSolaris is your choice then...
Posted Nov 9, 2008 16:16 UTC (Sun) by khim (subscriber, #9252)
It looks like you want "professional" service like Sun and Microsoft are
offering. Where release notes are carefully designed to cause retching assault in reader from too much bombast. Well, you know there are choices.
Solaris, Windows or even MacOS X. Linux developers don't play these games -
if you can not understood from the announcement that you really need to
upgrade then probebly you should use something else...
Posted Nov 9, 2008 16:41 UTC (Sun) by sbergman27 (guest, #10767)
Linux, you're 17 years old now, and your mother and I know that you want to be treated like an adult. But if you want people to do that, you must start acting like one, at least in public. What you do privately on the mailing lists with your friends is your own business, of course, as it always has been. But when making public announcements on serious topics it's a different matter.
Posted Nov 10, 2008 15:18 UTC (Mon) by edmon (guest, #26395)
Posted Nov 9, 2008 20:48 UTC (Sun) by efexis (guest, #26355)
What you're talking about should happen at the distros. --strip-fun should not be applied upstream. Anyone who doesn't like it can go get their own hobby to not enjoy.
Posted Nov 9, 2008 20:58 UTC (Sun) by sbergman27 (guest, #10767)
So Linux is a hobby OS?
Posted Nov 9, 2008 22:58 UTC (Sun) by nix (subscriber, #2304)
Posted Nov 9, 2008 23:34 UTC (Sun) by sbergman27 (guest, #10767)
Posted Nov 9, 2008 23:47 UTC (Sun) by bojan (subscriber, #14302)
> are strongly encouraged to upgrade. Very strongly. Did I mention that you all should upgrade? Seriously, what are you waiting for?
Is not even funny. It's sad that people releasing the kernel need to pretend like this and use euphemisms for "we fixed known security bugs in this release". And all while claiming that security bugs should not be treated differently than any other bugs.
If one knows about the problem and admits to it, at least one walks away from it with honesty still intact. Otherwise, one turns in a politician-like word-mincer.
Posted Nov 10, 2008 10:28 UTC (Mon) by tialaramex (subscriber, #21167)
There's a saying in the army (a deadly serious profession if ever there was one) that if you can't take a joke you shouldn't have joined. Black humour indeed since the saying is thought to originate from the period of conscription. But they're quite serious. Refusing to see the funny side doesn't give you credibility, it makes you look inhuman.
This announcement conveys its message (what was released, and what you should do about it) and it has a little fun. I'm sure any number of software release RSS feeds relayed it in a form suitable for machines, lacking any humour or humanity and you are welcome to subscribe.
Posted Nov 10, 2008 11:58 UTC (Mon) by bojan (subscriber, #14302)
So, he was referring there to some specific policy of the new administration? I don't think so.
On the other hand, this release of Linux refers to serious security issues with weasel words in an (unsuccessful) attempt to be funny. If the release notes were peppered with real words explaining the reasons for being strongly encouraged to upgrade, then it may even have been funny.
Posted Nov 10, 2008 14:46 UTC (Mon) by sbergman27 (guest, #10767)
Posted Nov 10, 2008 17:05 UTC (Mon) by drag (subscriber, #31333)
I am tired of P.C. and corporate-speak and all that shit. I've been hearing it all my life and all it's really used for is trying to obscure the facts and slip in subtle advertisements rather then transmitting honest information. It's confusing, irritating, and usually somewhat dishonest. That is what I call a 'bad thing'.
Between this kernel announcement and the horseshit, misleading information, and out and out lies that I see continuously on anti-virus websites and all sorts of other security-related software and corporate announcements/pronouncements/press releases... I'll take a flippant kernel announcement every time.
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