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A tale of two conferences

By Jonathan Corbet
October 22, 2008
Like many communities, the Linux community depends heavily on conferences as a way to help our developers and users know each other and work well together. We make highly effective use of electronic communications, but there is truly no substitute for occasionally getting together, sharing a beer or three, and engaging in some high-bandwidth discussion. So it stands to reason we want our events to be as productive and useful as possible, especially given the expense of participating in them.

Your editor recently had the fortune of attending, over the course of one week, two conferences which are arguably the oldest and the newest in our community. They were both interesting events, but they were very different in their organization and attendance. Both show both strengths and weaknesses in our organization of face-to-face events.

Arguably, the first Linux-related event ever was Linux-Kongress 1994. That gathering brought together developers working on the Linux kernel for the first time; it played host to a large portion of the (quite small) development community. For a period of time thereafter, Linux-Kongress was the development event for people working at or near the kernel level. It didn't take too long for other conferences (notably Linux Expo in the US) to grab some of the spotlight, but, unlike Linux Expo, Linux-Kongress is still an active conference.

The 2008 event, in Hamburg, Germany, was well organized and a lot of fun; it was a pleasant gathering of a part of the community which your editor visits far too rarely. It was a technical conference for technical people, with a number of well-known developers present. But it must be said: Linux-Kongress is a small and relatively obscure event in 2008. There were maybe 200 attendees; much of the northern European development community was absent. Even some developers based in Hamburg declined to attend. The quality of the talks was not uniformly good, though some were excellent. And, in stark contrast to the recent Linux Plumbers Conference, it's hard to point at much work that got done. For something that was once the Linux development gathering, Linux-Kongress has clearly come down in the world.

It is interesting to observe that Europe, while being the home to large numbers of free software developers, lacks a definitive development conference. That is not to say that no interesting events happen there; GUADEC and Akademy are probably the biggest desktop conferences, and the upcoming combined event is something to look forward to. But developers looking for a pan-European, Linux-oriented conference will not find one. LinuxConf.eu, a combination of the UKUUG and Linux-Kongress events held in Cambridge last year, offered the potential to become such an event, but the LinuxConf.eu idea appears to have stalled for now.

From Hamburg, your editor flew straight to New York City, where the Linux Foundation's End-User Summit was held. This event, happening for the first time, differs greatly from Linux-Kongress in many ways. To begin with, it was an invitation-only event, and one which explicitly excluded the press (which is why there have been no LWN articles from there). It was also intended to host a mixture of developers and users, and to allow them to talk to each other. These characteristics led to a different sort of conference experience.

We do not run an invitation-only community; excluding people from our conferences seems to run counter to the inclusive atmosphere we normally try to encourage. The invitation-only nature of some Linux Foundation events naturally leads to complaints. We do not run an invitation-only community; excluding people from our conferences seems to run counter to the inclusive atmosphere we normally try to encourage. The Linux Foundation's reasoning here is easy to understand, though: many of the targeted end users (who represent mainly the financial industry in New York) have a hard time talking about what they are doing in any setting. In an open conference with press in attendance, those people will simply keep their mouths closed - if they show up at all.

The user community represented by the financial industry is important; they are a significant part of the business which keeps the enterprise distributions going. Even now, they are highly sought after as customers. It is important to know what they are thinking and what their biggest difficulties with Linux are. In the absence of an event like the End User Summit, this information will only be communicated directly to the enterprise distributors under a non-disclosure agreement. An invitation-only summit is fundamentally exclusive at one level, but it does help the development community (as opposed to one or two companies) get a sense for what this user community is thinking.

So what are they thinking? They feel some stress between the stability of enterprise distributions and the desire to have the features developed by the community in recent years. They want good tracing mechanisms, but do not necessarily need the dynamic tracing provided by tools like DTrace or SystemTap. They like Linux because its broad hardware support frees them from reliance on any specific hardware vendor. They are very interested in work on next-generation filesystems. Some of them, at least, very much want to better understand how our development process works and, possibly, participate in it. See the Linux Foundation's press release for a summary of what was discussed there.

It was a productive gathering, especially once the CEOs got off the stage and the attendees were able to talk to each other. But it points out another thing that we, as a community, lack: there are few forums where developers and users can get together and learn from each other. Developers tend to prefer the company of other developers; convincing them to go to more user-oriented events can be a challenge. So the closest thing we have to a combined user/developer event is the single-vendor conferences held by companies like Red Hat and Novell. Those, needless to say, are not the most community-oriented gatherings. They are not the best way to learn what our users are thinking.

The proposed LinuxCon event, to be co-located with the 2009 Linux Plumbers Conference, may help to fill in this gap somewhat.

Our community is blessed with a wealth of interesting gatherings worldwide. But that doesn't mean that we can't do better. Whether the subject is a true pan-European Linux gathering, user-oriented conferences, or something else altogether, there are always opportunities to find ways to help our community be more cohesive and productive. The trick is to expand communications to a broader community - as seen in our newest conference - while growing the open collaborative spirit exemplified by our oldest one.


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A tale of two conferences

Posted Oct 23, 2008 2:19 UTC (Thu) by dberkholz (subscriber, #23346) [Link]

So the closest thing we have to a combined user/developer event is the single-vendor conferences held by companies like Red Hat and Novell. Those, needless to say, are not the most community-oriented gatherings. They are not the best way to learn what our users are thinking.
OSCON, in past years, has done a pretty good job of this too. Because of its rather high cost, the user side tends to be restricted to those from companies with plenty of money, while the developers leading sessions get in free.

Speaking of Linux Plumbers Conf

Posted Oct 23, 2008 6:43 UTC (Thu) by biehl (subscriber, #14636) [Link]

Does anyone know if this place is still the place to look for the presentations?

http://wiki.linuxplumbersconf.org/presentation_slides

It hasn't been updated for a while.

And is there any video from the Plumbers conf?

A tale of two conferences

Posted Oct 23, 2008 7:00 UTC (Thu) by DeletedUser32991 ((unknown), #32991) [Link]

But developers looking for a pan-European, Linux-oriented conference will not find one.

FOSDEM?

A tale of two conferences

Posted Oct 23, 2008 20:29 UTC (Thu) by ballombe (subscriber, #9523) [Link]

... and the Libre Software Meeting ?

A tale of two conferences

Posted Oct 23, 2008 7:53 UTC (Thu) by gypsumfantastic (guest, #31134) [Link]

Um, FOSDEM?

Article is based on a stupid and wrong premise.

A tale of two conferences

Posted Oct 23, 2008 12:20 UTC (Thu) by amikins (guest, #451) [Link]

Is there any chance we could get a clarification? That's a rather harsh phrasing to use without an elaboration of what precisely is 'stupid' or 'wrong'.

A tale of two conferences

Posted Oct 23, 2008 9:01 UTC (Thu) by hppnq (guest, #14462) [Link]

In an open conference with press in attendance, those people will simply keep their mouths closed - if they show up at all.

Why, that's a strange thing to say.

Apart from that I guess you have not been to Linux on Wall Street?

A tale of two conferences

Posted Oct 23, 2008 20:15 UTC (Thu) by jejb (subscriber, #6654) [Link]

> Apart from that I guess you have not been to Linux on Wall Street?

Linux on wall street is more about show casing open source technologies (it's even sponsored by Microsoft). The end user summit was about gathering user input for future Linux technologies and also for improving information flow (things like persuading the banks to test upstream in their labs instead of the latest enterprise distros).

A tale of two conferences

Posted Oct 24, 2008 11:28 UTC (Fri) by hppnq (guest, #14462) [Link]

Hmmm. If this article had been headlined "IT consortium presents new filesystem technology to financial sector customers", the story could have remained exactly the same.

As to the gathering of user input, the press release (of course released after the summit) reports this little gem:

On the competitive side, no users were found that had actually deployed ZFS in a production environment.

So much for discretion.

When in the past I read things like

Community representatives encouraged these large consumers of Linux to advocate for open source drivers from their suppliers so that they can be properly supported.

I used to nod approvingly -- but nowadays I tend to wonder what community these people represent and how much spin has been applied by the people presenting the people that represent the community.

Disclaimer: in my corner of the financial sector, we still mainly use JFS2, but on the bright side, I don't own stock.

A tale of two conferences

Posted Oct 24, 2008 14:23 UTC (Fri) by samth (subscriber, #1290) [Link]

While I can understand why a conference might want to exclude the press, I don't see why the press should attend anyway. LWN is, without question, the premier site for Linux journalism. I don't see why it needs to send its writers to events where they can't report.

"Press"

Posted Oct 24, 2008 14:48 UTC (Fri) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link]

The answer is that I was not attending as "press," a category that I've always been uncomfortable with anyway. I gave two talks at the end user summit and had a lot of good discussions with a lot of people. It was a worthwhile use of my time.

What about FOSDEM in Brussels?

Posted Oct 27, 2008 11:11 UTC (Mon) by wawjohn (guest, #509) [Link]

The FOSDEM conference (http://fosdem.org/) in Brussels, Belgium, has been
held every year in February since around 2000. It's quite surprising that
Jonathan didn't mention it, especially since I saw him there in 2005 or
so.

If you visit the site, you can see the archives going back to 2003.
FOSDEM 2008 gathered around 4000 developers, so it would seem pretty
successful. It is also true to the hacker mentality, with no entry fees,
very interesting talks, three simultaneous tracks, and individual hacker
rooms for various projects. The hardest thing at FOSDEM is choosing which
talk to follow when there are so many at the same time!

So, Jonathan, is there something you don't like about FOSDEM ? Is it
simply that it is not a linux-only event? Or is there something else that
precludes it from being what you consider "a pan-European, Linux-oriented
conference" ?

What about FOSDEM in Brussels?

Posted Oct 27, 2008 13:26 UTC (Mon) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link]

Interesting. I did mention FOSDEM in this article. But this article went through more than the usual number of revisions (and still doesn't feel like my strongest work, frankly) and somewhere in there the FOSDEM reference got taken out.

I was there in 2004, FWIW, and haven't made it back since. I shared a session with Hans Reiser.

It's amusing that I was somewhat criticized for calling FOSDEM a Linux conference at the time. It is, I was told, no such thing; it's a free software conference. And in fact its emphasis is a little different from what I would normally think of as a "Linux conference."

That said, I probably slighted FOSDEM unfairly here; it's a great event.

A tale of two conferences

Posted Oct 30, 2008 9:05 UTC (Thu) by jkacur (subscriber, #63) [Link]

The main reason I didn't attend Linux Kongress in Hamburg (besides being busy working) was the price. It was simply too expensive. Two day conference for 450 Euros, and then another 600 Euros for the tutorials!

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