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Fedora and long term supportFedora and long term supportPosted Oct 17, 2008 21:51 UTC (Fri) by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639)In reply to: Fedora and long term support by Tet Parent article: Fedora and long term support
Are you saying that the gaps between Ubuntu LTS 6.06 and Ubuntu LTS 8.04 are smaller than the gaps between RHEL 4 and RHEL 5? They both have about a 2 year gap between releases.
Since the RHEL and Ubuntu LTS release calendars don't sync up, they are essentially staggered about a year apart, there is no direct technology comparison. RHEL 4 is a year older than Ubuntu LTS 6.06 which is a year older than RHEL 5 which is a year older than Ubuntu LTS 8.04. All of them will become stagnant overtime.
-jef
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Fedora and long term support Posted Oct 17, 2008 22:15 UTC (Fri) by sbergman27 (guest, #10767) [Link]
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Are you saying that the gaps between Ubuntu LTS 6.06 and Ubuntu LTS 8.04 are smaller than the gaps between RHEL 4 and RHEL 5? They both have about a 2 year gap between releases. """
Well, that's 22 months for Ubuntu LTS. RHEL4->RHEL5 was 25 months. It's looking as though RHEL5->RHEL6 is going to be significantly more than that. (Whatever happened to "predictable release schedule" as a selling point for RHEL?) In my experience, I can trust Ubuntu non-LTS releases more than I can trust a new Fedora "bleeding edge" release. So, if the need arises, I can feel reasonably comfortable upgrading a client from an Ubuntu LTS release to a non-LTS release, with the intent of upgrading to the next LTS release when it becomes available, all without being uncertain about their future upgrade path or security patch coverage.
Fedora and long term support Posted Oct 17, 2008 22:26 UTC (Fri) by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639) [Link]
For the record.. I was hoping the person I replied to would actually answer the question I asked.
Your comments again point out that there is a desire to see an upgrade path from fedora into the enterprise relevant offering. Will that desire manifest itself in the form of community leadership to drive effort towards that goal?
-jef
Fedora and long term support Posted Oct 17, 2008 23:44 UTC (Fri) by sbergman27 (guest, #10767) [Link]
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For the record.. I was hoping the person I replied to would actually answer the question I asked. """
For the record, this is an open forum. The person you asked may freely reply at any time.
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Ubuntu has managed to fulfill that desire for many users and, increasingly, for admins. It is now incumbent upon Fedora devs to either respond to that desire or not, at their discretion.
Fedora and long term support Posted Oct 18, 2008 0:09 UTC (Sat) by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639) [Link]
Whether or not Canonical has been able to do it sustainably is still open for debate. I look forward to Shuttleworth being able to announce that Canonical is breaking in their service business around LTS.
In the meantime, for the next several years until that happens, I'm more than happy to talk to any group of people..volunteer or commercial entities which would like to help extend the Fedora project services in a sustainable way..by committing to contributing their time or resources to that effort.
-jef
Fedora and long term support -- copy the Ubuntu solution Posted Oct 18, 2008 3:37 UTC (Sat) by qg6te2 (guest, #52587) [Link] Perhaps the solution is simply to take Ubuntu's idea of LTS and apply it to the Fedora/Red Hat divide -- e.g. Fedora 10 (or 11) would become RHEL 6. The official paid RHEL support would be for a selected set of packages. All other packages would be unofficially (or community) supported. The attitude of "Fedora is upstream for RHEL" should be removed -- anybody worth their salt reads this as "Fedora is a beta / proving ground for RHEL" anyway. Sidenote: I recently had to install a Linux based OS on a new machine (projected lifetime: 5 years). As much as I like Fedora (used it since F1), it's simply too unstable and breaks too many things between releases. RHEL 5 / CentOS 5 are too ancient to consider seriously (the requirements for the machine were a recent gcc, python, etc). Ubuntu fits this niche perfectly, as the upgrade path is clear and a lot less error-prone. Having said that, Ubuntu's/Canonical's contribution to the community is a considerably less than Fedora/Red Hat. Rather disappointingly I had to put Ubuntu on the machine.
Fedora and long term support Posted Oct 18, 2008 21:28 UTC (Sat) by sbergman27 (guest, #10767) [Link]
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Whether or not Canonical has been able to do it sustainably is still open for debate. I look forward to Shuttleworth being able to announce that Canonical is breaking in their service business around LTS. """
I would like to point out that you are attempting to generate Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt surrounding Ubuntu. This is not the first time you have done that; It seems an ongoing campaign. That is, in my opinion, beneath the dignity of the Fedora and Red Hat communities, and I recommend that you cease, lest it be thought that the Fedora community condones such shady tactics.
Fedora and long term support Posted Oct 21, 2008 9:33 UTC (Tue) by ekj (guest, #1524) [Link]
Would you please stop doing that ?
You do this repeatedly and it amounts to nothing more than FUD.
Yes, it is true that Ubuntu, or more precisely Canonical, may fold at some unknown time in the future. This is true of all other distributions too. There is no evidence that Ubuntu is about to have the plug pulled on it, and it's not as if it's the first linux-company to run in the red for a while.
Please stick with actually relevant critiques and drop the insulting FUD. There's no guarantees Redhat will be around in 3 years either. That's just how the world works.
Fedora and long term support Posted Oct 21, 2008 15:44 UTC (Tue) by kragil (subscriber, #34373) [Link]
You guys need to stop. Don't feed the Spaleta troll. He makes up FUD because he can't stand Ubuntus success and it even turned into hatred towards Mark.
I am not joking. Just look at any story on LWN about Ubuntu and you will find long posts describing his twisted view of reality.
Just ignore him.
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