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Before blaming U. Pennsylvania ....Before blaming U. Pennsylvania ....Posted Apr 24, 2003 6:56 UTC (Thu) by fyodor (guest, #3481)Parent article: DARPA Cancels OpenBSD Funding Before blaming Jonathan Smith or UPenn ... read This /. Post by Jonathan Shapiro. I like Theo and admire his work tremendously. But if speculation as to the reasons of funding loss are accurate, this is only the latest in Theo's extensive track record of losing cooperation from his supporters by viciously attacking them in public. I agree with Theo about the War and was somewhat impressed that he risked his funding by speaking out in the press that the agency funding him "just sickens me". But I don't think he should act so surprised and offended when the agency he publicly attacks stops funding him. All that being said, I also agree that the US is going way too far in seeking revenge against people, countries, and organizations that promoted peace and restraint. A currently running New Yor Times Article starts out with: "The Bush administration is pursuing steps to punish France for opposing the United States on the war in Iraq" Give it a rest! The whole point of multinational organizations like the UN is to debate and air differing opinions. If the US is going to openly bribe countries into submission, and threaten/"punish" those who resist, the US might as well just ignore the UN and let "do what thou wilt be the whole of the law". Oh yeah, that is what we (the US) did do.
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Before blaming U. Pennsylvania .... Posted Apr 24, 2003 15:03 UTC (Thu) by zonker (subscriber, #7867) [Link] Theo's extensive track record of losing cooperation from his supporters by viciously attacking them in public.While Theo's remarks about the source of funding can be safely categorized as "critical" of DARPA and the Air Force, they hardly rise to the level of "viciously attacking them in public." Further, one should not feel that they "risk" funding by speaking their mind. Theo was being paid to do work on OpenBSD. If he fails to do that, by all means yank the funding. If he's producing work, let the man work. He's not being paid for his political opinion. Also -- pulling funding doesn't just punish Theo, it punishes a bunch of people who were depending on funds for the hackathon and grad students who were being paid out of that money. I see this as a pretty messed-up reaction to one mildly critical comment by one person related to a larger project.
Before blaming U. Pennsylvania .... Posted Apr 24, 2003 16:45 UTC (Thu) by Baylink (subscriber, #755) [Link] > can be safely categorized as "critical" of DARPA and the Air Force, they hardly rise to the level of "viciously attacking them[ Who the hell is this lyrical person? ] [ Looks ] [ Oh: Zonker. ] :-)
Before blaming U. Pennsylvania .... Posted May 1, 2003 18:39 UTC (Thu) by oconnorcjo (guest, #2605) [Link] A simple rule: "don't bite the hand that feeds you". Theo should either have taken the money and shut up or rejected the money and said whatever he felt like saying. It is just stupid to say I will take your money but I hate your guts. As much as LWN seems to take de Raadt's side, I believe the blame rest on OpenBSD's leader. It is not good morally or politically to "bad mouth" the people who are doing you a favor (and one should bear the consequences for doing so).
Before blaming U. Pennsylvania .... Posted May 5, 2003 20:13 UTC (Mon) by zonker (subscriber, #7867) [Link] Sorry -- I don't buy it. Accepting a government grant absolutely should not be a tacit agreement not to speak out against the government. The blame lies solely with DARPA and the Air Force for not being able to tolerate a bit of criticism, if in fact that is the reason that they cancelled the funding.I would also, strongly, disagree that it "is not good morally" to speak out against an employer or benefactor. That attitude implies that one's morality and opinion is for sale -- which is utterly wrong as far as I'm concerned. I believe that people have a duty to stand up for their political opinions, and if they happen to run counter to a benefactor, so be it. If your employer does something you don't agree with, you should be able to criticize them without fearing for your job. If we allow the government to work according to your principles, there are a lot of people who work for companies that do government contract work who would be sacrificing the right to make political statements just by taking a job with Boeing or some company that does work for the government. That's not right. Again, the funding was for the work -- not Theo's political opinion. As long as he met the criteria of the grant, and no one has suggested that he hasn't, then the funding should have remained untouched. If they wish to rebut his opinion, well and good, but pulling funding (particularly without being straightforward about it and admitting the real reasons) is just cowardly and unjustified.
Before blaming U. Pennsylvania .... Posted Apr 24, 2003 16:45 UTC (Thu) by Baylink (subscriber, #755) [Link] Ah... you're on here.Kudos on nmap, dude. *Very* handy tool. You're non-USAdian, right? So the DMCA can't get you? :-)
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