> At least in those plumbing packages. Is it because they don't fix problems or because they don't forward fixes upstream?
I agree that the discussion should focus on a distribution's _process_ of bug reporting and submission of patches to upstream.
Ubuntu does all of their bug reporting, patch submission, and upstream reporting in the open. Just like any open source project, don't just complain about something not working. At the VERY least, look at the process, and point out where it is failing.