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LPC: Fitting into the kernel ecosystem

LPC: Fitting into the kernel ecosystem

Posted Sep 18, 2008 4:19 UTC (Thu) by jbailey (subscriber, #16890)
Parent article: LPC: Fitting into the kernel ecosystem

(obDisclosure: I'm a former employee of Canonical and still an Ubuntu Core
Dev)

I'm curious about the Debian/Ubuntu numbers in relation to one another.
How many of the Ubuntu contributors were contributing upstream before, and
are now simply associated with Ubuntu instead; How many of the Debian
contributors or contributions are paid for by Canonical.

My experience in doing stuff for Ubuntu was that the people contributing to
upstream tended to be the people who were doing it anyway, so made it a
part of the work that they were already doing. Those who weren't already
contributing upstream rarely started to do so.

Ubuntu hasn't managed to grow a culture of contributing upstream, even when
they tried directly to do so. It just somehow never worked out. Having
been there, I don't know what the right way to do that is.


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LPC: Fitting into the kernel ecosystem

Posted Sep 18, 2008 12:06 UTC (Thu) by maks (subscriber, #32426) [Link]

hello jeff,

> Ubuntu hasn't managed to grow a culture of contributing upstream, even when
> they tried directly to do so. It just somehow never worked out. Having
> been there, I don't know what the right way to do that is.

easy they prefer to employ people who waffle all day long like the guy whose title is Community Manager, but can't write a single line of code.

LPC: Fitting into the kernel ecosystem

Posted Sep 18, 2008 17:03 UTC (Thu) by crimsun (subscriber, #13750) [Link]

I fully respect your work with initramfs-tools and many more, but to lambast Jono Bacon as someone incapable of writing a single line of code is a bit much. He may not be a kernel plumber, but he has contributed to KDE, Jokosher, and others.

LPC: Fitting into the kernel ecosystem

Posted Sep 19, 2008 5:53 UTC (Fri) by Cato (subscriber, #7643) [Link]

The Ubuntu community is one of its greatest advantages: new users find it is friendly and helpful, and it's often quicker and easier to get problems solved through the Ubuntu forums than to pay for Windows support from Microsoft. It's also very hard for Microsoft or Apple to replicate this.

So the Community Manager is actually one of the most important people at Canonical, on a par with the gnarliest kernel hackers...

LPC: Fitting into the kernel ecosystem

Posted Sep 18, 2008 12:07 UTC (Thu) by mbanck (subscriber, #9035) [Link]

How many of the Debian contributors or contributions are paid for by Canonical.

That is hard to say without looking exactly at how they did come up with the numbers. However, I think in general one can say Canonical employees who are also Debian Developers tend to be careful not to mix up their email accounts when doing stuff with their respective hat on; so I would be surprised if a lot of patches had been submitted to the kernel by Canonical staff on company time with a @debian.org address.

Michael

LPC: Fitting into the kernel ecosystem

Posted Sep 18, 2008 14:51 UTC (Thu) by jmm (subscriber, #34596) [Link]

> How many of the Debian contributors or contributions are paid for by
> Canonical

Beyond what people post with their debian.org address, there“s quite a number of Debian developers working on the kernel in their regular day job.

LPC: Fitting into the kernel ecosystem

Posted Sep 18, 2008 21:57 UTC (Thu) by jeffm (subscriber, #29341) [Link]

If they're doing the kernel development work as part of their day job, why should a distribution they also perform work with receive the credit for the work? Their day job has funded the work.

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