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A Question About the Novell-Microsoft Deal (Groklaw)

Groklaw questions the recent Novell-Microsoft deal. "I've been thinking about something for a few days now. It's about the latest Novell-Microsoft deal that was announced on August 20, where Microsoft agreed to buy another $100 million worth of vouchers from Novell. I was wondering: how come two public companies can make a deal that seems to me to be material and yet keep pieces of the deal secret?"
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A Question About the Novell-Microsoft Deal (Groklaw)

Posted Sep 4, 2008 21:57 UTC (Thu) by NigelK (guest, #42083) [Link]

Whoa - talk about ignorance of common business practises.

"how come two public companies can make a deal that seems to me to be material and yet keep pieces of the deal secret?"

Are you kidding me? After *years* of going through previously confidential contracts between public companies, Groklaw is now openly wondering why the terms of contracts are kept confidential?

"How is the public to know whether to invest in either company, if we don't know what the deal's terms are with specificity? Are investors supposed to just guess?"

YES. Investors don't have all the information ever written down on paper unless it's a significant sized investment, in which case due diligence is carried out and welcomed by all the parties involved. Standard stock investors? They have to make as informed a decision as possible based on previous experience with the companies involved and other similar enterprises.

Groklaw knows nothing about investment practise.

The whole article is worth a read by those who actually know about this sort of thing as the sheer greeness is hilarious.

Netware customer switches to Microsoft rather than SuSE? So what? *No one* in business expects a 100% switchover rate when it comes to customers upgrading their old systems. So why the astonishment when someone does that? Again, a lack of business experience showing there.

As for her sources.... Here's Sam Varguess (honest typo, but kept intact as it seemed appropriate):

"The extension of the deal indicates one thing - all the money which has been pumped into Novell so far is not yielding the returns which either company hoped for and it is now time to further subsidise SUSE Linux."

Say what? MS and Novell pour *more* money into a failing enterprise rather than scaling it down? Er... no. Let's say that the MS/Novell deal was earning both of them a stack of money. Would they extend the deal (as they are now) or scale it back?

If you're going to comment on business-related subjects, perhaps it's better to get someone in who actually has substantial experience working in one? This article reads like a lemonade stall owner screaming that the people with proper jobs are big meanies.

A Question About the Novell-Microsoft Deal (Groklaw)

Posted Sep 5, 2008 8:57 UTC (Fri) by vblum (guest, #1151) [Link]

The point here is a political one (maybe she's being a bit holier than thou than necessary). It IS unclear why M$ keeps funding Novell. She does have a point there.

The immediate point for M$ would be to quell RH's momentum (ruin their market??) by dumping practices, and PJ got that right. M$ are now able to create package deals for customers that want BOTH Windows and Linux, essentially throwing in the Linux part for free. No need to buy RH. This worked against Netscape; this will work against RH.

M$ can afford to spend a few dollars on those vouchers, at the current rate anyway. For RH, the story is different, $100M is a substantial fraction of their revenue. In PACKAGE deals there is NO way to trace how much was really paid for what, if there is no written record - you can always shift the numbers around on paper.

About that bigger conspiracy; I STILL doubt M$ could get away with making Novell the allowed patent-encumbered distribution out there, and suing everyone else in oblivion. This community has survived more than one such attack. Patents can be used as a temporary impediment, but not to stop FLOSS as a whole.

A Question About the Novell-Microsoft Deal (Groklaw)

Posted Sep 5, 2008 9:15 UTC (Fri) by NigelK (guest, #42083) [Link]

It really isn't a mystery at all. Most companies have a mixed environment, so a tie-up between MS and Novell makes sense. Competing with RH is also a no-brainer. This really is normal business practise.

If Steve Jobs can realise that Apple can get by quite nicely without destroying MS, then everyone else can realise that too whilst making lots of money in the process.

A Question About the Novell-Microsoft Deal (Groklaw)

Posted Sep 5, 2008 12:31 UTC (Fri) by SEJeff (subscriber, #51588) [Link]

If you have a beef with PJ, perhaps you should do the intelligent thing and post your rant _on groklaw_ and spare the lwn subscription readers the agony.

A Question About the Novell-Microsoft Deal (Groklaw)

Posted Sep 5, 2008 14:26 UTC (Fri) by NigelK (guest, #42083) [Link]

If you have a problem with any part of my analysis, feel free to discuss it.

Having seen posts similar to mine in the comments section on the article on Groklaw "disappear", somehow I don't think the above comment of mine would last long either.

A Question About the Novell-Microsoft Deal (Groklaw)

Posted Sep 5, 2008 18:22 UTC (Fri) by flewellyn (subscriber, #5047) [Link]

What analysis? All I see is a bunch of "PJ doesn't know anything!" whinging. It's tiresome, and it's what you always post about when we have articles about Groklaw here. Really, give it a rest.

It's an accessible style

Posted Sep 6, 2008 10:03 UTC (Sat) by dank (guest, #1865) [Link]

PJ takes us along as she tries to figure things out,
which gives Groklaw a certain "Mr. Smith goes to Washington" sort of
appeal to the whole business. I love it. Rah rah PJ!

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