better clone workflow | volunteering | "complete audit"

If RH clones had brains, they might try and come up with workflow like:
- own bugtracker
- cloned (stable) repo
- unstable/proposals repo which might have packages diverging from original
- process of proposing patches/spec fixes/version updates via bugzilla.redhat.com

This way, there might occur reasonable development sense in a project, not just an "affordable repackaging" one (am I closer to "understanding CentOS" with this statement? ;-).

> [...] CentOS doesn't have any kernel developers
Kernel developers don't jump out of thin air, they grow up (just like with any profession). In this particular example, figuring out which of the patches in similarly 2.6.18-based but working kernel might be reasonable exercise for a kernel hacker wannabe (in a good sense :-) -- given that hardware access off a separate HDD/LiveCD could be organized quite easily.

If a volunteer effort would pair with another volunteer effort (like kernelnewbies), I bet that those growing up with more or less simple situations would find even better job soon. Should definitely do no harm to efforts as well.

But then again, I've only done one silly little kernel patch nine years ago, and it was such an obvious re-hardwiring that I didn't even bother anyone (it got fixed properly with CONFIG_ handle that year anyways).

Back to bugzilla, we have quite a few bugs assigned to nobody@ which does help with finding something to wrestle in one's spare time. Assigning lots of bugs *manually* to one's self just to forget them isn't going to work but rather leads to "buried alive under a pile of bugreports".

> It is a bit tacky of you to criticize a volunteer who is in
> a position of leadership and obviously gives a lot of his time
> to the community.
Heh, I'm a volunteer in a sort of leadership with quite some time spent exactly on connecting creative people in community with opportunities to grow up, that is bugs and not-yet-done stuff :-) And yes, guiding people who might write a good bugreport in a mailing list to post it to bugzilla.

Thanks for your way better tempered comment, still when I would have written replies like "get lost" and people published them and got me to understand _my_ fault I found myself thankful to them in the longer run.

Back to the original matter, I still don't trust any claim of "complete audit" by volunteers who don't have time to close kernel bugs at least as WONTFIX; and that was largely the point, not just insulting folks around.

Hope that intruders were too busy with RH/Fedora and didn't get around to try their hand at the third target, whatever they used... had to redo one system from scratch after 2003's openssh adventure, no joy.