"Do you possess any proof of that assertion? "
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/may/22/internet...
TG: How close are you to breaking even?
MS: Not close. It will require time and ongoing investment.
Straight from the horse's mouth. As of May of this year Canonical was "not close" to breaking
even.... so sayth Shuttleworth. Not close. Are they any closer than they were a year ago? two
years ago? three years ago?
"Therefore, assuming the business success of Canonical as being paramount, is based upon a
weak foundation."
Another quote from Shuttleworth...
http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/07/23/Ubuntu-founder-...
"When we look back at this era, we'll be looking at economics,"
So again..straight from the horses mouth.. the economics of things are of parmount importance.
That's not me talking, that's Shuttleworth. But what doe the economics of Canonical look like?
Canonical's business interests are completely opaque. How important is launchpad based
services going to be to Canonical's bottomline moving forward? Anyone got a clue on that? Is
the Dell desktop arrangement a profit center for Canonical or is it a wash..or is it a net
drain or company resources. How many people are buying Ubuntu support contracts for their
Dells when they purchase the hardware? How is the mobile initiative fairing as a business
initiative?
And then there's landscape...which is clearly not aimed at the home desktop user.
How many different revenue concepts is Canonical currently pursuing? Can they sustain interest
in all these areas simultaneously? What happens if Canonical decides to drop support for one
of their current initiatives like mobile devices a year from now? Is the Ubuntu infrastructure
that they control open enough to allow a non-commercial community effort to flourish in its
wake? Popularity doesn't automatically make something is an economical business venture...
and if Shuttleworth is to be believed.. its the economics that ultimate matter.. not the
popularity.
"You dislike Ubuntu and perhaps every thing it may represent"
I have no problem with Ubuntu as a community, nor as a distribution. But I am concerned that
Canonical may not be able to sustain the level of interest it has strategical cultivated, and
I don't want to see the Ubuntu community suffer while Canonical flounders around trying
different business models until they find one that works. If I wanted to see the Ubuntu
community suffer, I'd find a way to get myself hired by Canonical.
What I am concerned about is that so much community good will is being placed into the hands
of a single business entity. Canonical. Canonical is not Ubuntu. A business entity whose CEO
who is attempting to centralize how open developers interact by driving them into using a
centrally managed proprietary infrastructure that only Canonical has control over.
Which Mark Shuttleworth should we believe? The one that is protectionist of his own company's
important codebases.. or the one that goes to conferences and proclaims that Free software is
"the ultimate form of disclosure" and serves as an engine for innovation?
http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/07/23/Ubuntu-founder-...
If you are going to stand up as the head of a corporate entity and talk the talk, I think its
perfectly acceptable for the people whom you are talking to to expect you walk the walk
instead of promising to walk the walk in around 12 months or so, market conditions depending.
If you are a Ubuntu desktop user, you should be concerned when Shuttleworth speaks to the
press as he did earlier this year about Ubuntu "migrating" into a business phenomenon.
http://searchitchannel.techtarget.com/news/article/0,2891...
If Canonical is planning to "migrate" into a company that services business customers... have
they created an infrastructure open enough to let the Ubuntu community fill in the gaps so
that the Ubuntu community can serve the needs of the non-business userbase while Canonical
chases after business user service contracts?
He didn't say expanding.. he said..migrating..That sort of terminology should concern any
active Ubuntu community member who is more concerned about the home desktop user than the
office professional. If Canonical is looking to chase the sort of certifications that allow it
into the doors of corporate businesses, that is going to end up being an engineering drain on
Canonical, no doubt about it. Certification processes are about as far away as 'just works'
polish as one can possibly imagine. Can Canonical chase those certs and continue to serve the
home desktop users? Can Canonical sustain both a corporate initiative and a consumer desktop
initative with its available resources? Will Canonical open up the infrastructure they
tightly control so that the Ubuntu community can step in and help sustain the Ubuntu momentum
and keep Canonical from spreading itself too thin? Canonical needs to open up its
infrastructure and let the Ubuntu community take on some of the responsibility for the
development of the Ubuntu process itself. How far will Canonical allow community to be
involved in the development of its own future?
-jef
Posted Aug 22, 2008 18:29 UTC (Fri) by kragil (guest, #34373)
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OMG!
You are obviously a Ubuntu-hating Fedoratroll/-fanboy. No need to point out in how many ways
you are blinded by your hate.
Anyways .. I take the most user friendly distro with the biggest repository and long support
that is sponsored by a really rich philanthropist any day over the development version of some
enterprise distro :P No matter what.
Nothing better to do?
Posted Aug 22, 2008 19:07 UTC (Fri) by TxtEdMacs (subscriber, #5983)
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You are a "Guest", minimal standards should require you to be at least civil. Your name
calling is too similar to the MS types that posted on the IBM forum to help kill OS/2. No
repeat performances here. Be civil or leave.
Thank you,
Txt.
In defense of Ubuntu reproach
Posted Aug 22, 2008 19:05 UTC (Fri) by TxtEdMacs (subscriber, #5983)
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Had I read further into the comments thread I would have foregone my posting, since it was so
obvious facts will not play any role.
My reason to respond now is two fold, a gratuitous attack of name calling by a <i>guest</l>
and noticing you seemed to purposely pretend to quote a question I did not ask. Moreover, you
cite a known fact that bears no pertinence.
The issue is not if Canonical is making a profit, it is the implied exigencies implicit in
venture capital funding where the modus operandi is a pump and run up of the stock pricing so
the funding group can run off with the excess cash. That was dishonest, at the very least.
You are oblivious to reasoned argument, hence, you should better converse with yourself and
save of the hearing the noise of your words.
Thank you, your silence is appreciated.