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Linux-based UI?Linux-based UI?Posted Aug 14, 2008 23:58 UTC (Thu) by clugstj (subscriber, #4020)In reply to: Linux-based UI? by pr1268 Parent article: Dell Announces 10 New Laptops (MAXIMUMPC)
Dude, you are dreaming. It's just a Linux-based OS in flash that boots quickly.
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Linux-based UI? Posted Aug 15, 2008 0:57 UTC (Fri) by jmorris42 (subscriber, #2203) [Link] Dunno, they claim days of runtime. That doesn't sound like they are just doing the same ol same old. Been saying for years OLPC should have used a non-x86 chip and so should the netbooks. You get better battery life AND you keep Microsoft from crashing the party.
Linux-based UI? Posted Aug 15, 2008 4:54 UTC (Fri) by zlynx (subscriber, #2285) [Link] The instruction set a CPU uses hardly affects power use at all. The OLPC uses a Geode. Intel's new Atom is very low power. The VIA stuff doesn't use much either. x86 has really just become a virtual machine on top of the *real* design, anyway.
Linux-based UI? Posted Aug 15, 2008 10:37 UTC (Fri) by eskild (subscriber, #1556) [Link] > x86 has really just become a virtual machine on top of the *real* design, anyway. Interesting point.
Linux-based UI? Posted Aug 15, 2008 11:38 UTC (Fri) by i3839 (subscriber, #31386) [Link] I totally agree with jmorris42. The lowest estimation I've seen on the added power cost for using x86 is 25%, because of the more complicated decode hardware. That's from realworldtech.com anyway. For a comparison in power use between Intel's Atom and TI's OMAP ARM see: http://realworldtech.com/forums/index.cfm?action=detail&... What you call "not much" is a lot for ARM systems. I guess Dell uses an ARM based SoC for their ON thing, probably OMAP.
Linux-based UI? Posted Aug 15, 2008 12:51 UTC (Fri) by k3ninho (subscriber, #50375) [Link] I hope Dell uses an ARM based SoC for their ON thing, probably OMAP.There, fixed that for you. I don't say that to be snarky: I hope so too (and if so, the product is more interesting to me). Does anyone have a link with real details? K3n.
Linux-based UI? Posted Aug 15, 2008 16:09 UTC (Fri) by i3839 (subscriber, #31386) [Link] I'm not going to buy a Dell anytime soon, considering they don't sell Linux versions of the things I might buy here.
Linux-based UI? Posted Aug 16, 2008 4:07 UTC (Sat) by linuxlou (guest, #53401) [Link] You can get linux installed on them with no problems. And forget the latitude line, you can get one for as little $399 with a coupon. http://www.cheapstingybargains.com
Linux-based UI? Posted Aug 15, 2008 15:26 UTC (Fri) by robert_s (subscriber, #42402) [Link] "The instruction set a CPU uses hardly affects power use at all." This is not true. x86 wastes a 'huge' amount of power just decoding the absurdly complex instruction format. When compared to most embedded ARMs and MIPS SoCs, the Atoms and VIA chips show a rather poor performance/power factor. The reason they are popular is because they target the area where users are going to want to start running 'normal' apps. And that, to them, means x86/windows.
Linux-based UI? Posted Aug 15, 2008 4:56 UTC (Fri) by pr1268 (subscriber, #24648) [Link] Dude, you are dreaming. Am I? My post was meant more about the direction I think Dell is headed, not for what I hope will (or could) happen. But, I certainly welcome a mild debate. And thanks for replying! It's just a Linux-based OS in flash that boots quickly. Exactly. To clarify, I really didn't gather from the article that the "Linux-based front-end" sounded all that much like a full-fledged, feature-rich operating system, but rather a simple hardware abstraction layer that could theoretically support running any number of different OSes. Dell seems eager to either (1) give PC customers more freedom to install and configure their own operating system software on Dell's hardware merchandise and/or (2) abandon for good the vendor lock-in Microsoft has imposed on them. My assertions are based on the response from the DellIdeaStorm page and Michael Dell's own public admission that he uses Ubuntu on his own laptop. Among other news articles/blog postings/Web pages (I'm too lazy to find more links at the moment, but perhaps you get the idea). I'm not trying to defend Dell here; just stating my perceptions and intuitions...
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