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The Mozilla Firebird browser

Posted Apr 17, 2003 10:28 UTC (Thu) by nan (guest, #710)
Parent article: Will the real Firebird please stand up?

The Mozilla Project has made a change on their roadmap that will take them to keep two browsers for some time. One of them will eventually take over. It's original name was Phoenix. The other one (Mozilla - the suite) might not necesarilly be abandoned. And so a need to differenciate between these two browsers exists.
(http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=3082&message=69#69)

The original name given to the single browser app, Phoenix, had problems. Phoenix, the BIOS company, also had a browser. Mozilla Project had to change the name of the Phoenix browser.

Just like the Apache Project, the Mozilla Project does not plan to get rid in any way of the Mozilla name while splitting the main app into smaller apps. It already has recognition and no legal problems that are known of. Moving forward, the Mozilla Project will give names to its subprojects. So Phoenix will/has become the Mozilla Firebird browser and the email app that was know as Minotaur is now the Mozilla Thunderbird email client. The suite that everyone has known until know will keep the Mozilla name. This might change in the future when the development of the suite is abandoned, unless the community supports its maintenance.

"There's only one problem: the Firebird relational database project has been using that name since 2000"

There are five Free Source projects with the Firebird name. The Firebird database was not the first one to use the name. If nothing else these news have brought attention to the FirebirdSQL Foundation and its projects.


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The Mozilla Firebird browser

Posted Apr 17, 2003 15:13 UTC (Thu) by mguenther (guest, #5609) [Link]

There are five Free Source projects with the Firebird name. The Firebird database was not the first one to use the name. If nothing else these news have brought attention to the FirebirdSQL Foundation and its projects.

Calling my new micro-brewery product "Coca-cola Beer" will undoubtedly bring attention to the original Coca-cola, but that does not give me any ethical or legal grounds to do so. The Mozilla developers would be up in arms if Microsoft renamed .NET to Mozilla, despite the possible publicity, so I find the behaviour of the Moz dev team in this instance very hypocritical. Regardless of whether they can legally get away with calling it Firebird (or Mozilla Firebird), it is rude to the existing project(s), especially when avoiding a conflict requires almost no effort on their part. The only reason I can see for continuing with this course of action is laziness or hubris, neither of which are desirable qualities for a community-built project.

P.S.: Searching freshmeat and google for software projects named Firebird only turns up the Interbase DB, I am curious to know what the other four projects are.

The Mozilla Firebird browser

Posted Apr 17, 2003 17:04 UTC (Thu) by cpeterso (subscriber, #305) [Link]


Maybe the Firebird database project should change its name to "Mozilla"?

The Mozilla Firebird browser

Posted Apr 17, 2003 22:22 UTC (Thu) by nan (guest, #710) [Link]

From a post by Asa in Mozillazine (http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=3075&message=104#104)

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Re: Protecting Mozilla's Open Source Cred...
submitted by asa (profile)
Wednesday April 16th, 2003 01:19:31 AM
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What about the "real" Firebird BBS open source project that's been around since at least '99? What about the very "real" Firebird Software Ltd.? What about the "real" Firebird Mortgage Application Software? What about the "real" Firebird NTP client? These are all real software projects with real products. There are lots of Firebird software projects that predate both Mozilla and the database project. What there aren't are other Web browsers called Firebird and other database servers called Firebird. Mozilla isn't a database server and you all aren't a BBS software package, and NTP client, financial software or a video game.

As far as other distros shipping Mozilla-based products, I suspect most of them will continue to call the browser they ship "Mozilla".

--Asa

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