Posted Jul 24, 2008 1:21 UTC (Thu) by walters (subscriber, #7396)
Parent article: Anticipating the sunset
I don't see this article as very useful or constructive, honestly. Regardless of the details
of conformance tests or whatever (and the MySQL example was just silly), the code is Free
Software now, and more than anything else, the code matters. Talk is cheap.
We can worry about scenarios like this if they happen; but speculating about them beforehand
just creates negative energy.
Posted Jul 24, 2008 2:03 UTC (Thu) by k8to (subscriber, #15413)
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I too am kind of down on the speculation of regime change on Sun, though I'm not sure I can
articulate why. However, I think the point made is entirely valid. Code availability
matters, but code community matters also.
There are different levels of concern, of course. For projects like Postgresql where
development began outside a commercial environment, and have continued into a variety of
sponsored environments, the lack of a large community of participation is not nearly as
important as the demonstrated ability of the project to adapt to sponsorship change. Projects
like Solaris which have only ever lived inside the auspices of a single organization are of
more concern over view changes in the owning organization.
It's a meaningful point to consider when looking at risk-management of software use in the
open source world.
Anticipating the sunset
Posted Jul 24, 2008 6:06 UTC (Thu) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313)
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postgresql almost died when Greatbridge went under (A .com that hired most of the developers).
the core developers point out that it's not a coincidence that they all work for different
companies now.
they are enforcing the diversification themselves where a large project (say the kernel) gains
the diversification from the sheer number of people who work on it, but even there, for many
years Linus avoided working for any of the Linux companies, specifically to avoid the
appearance that any one company would have undo influence on his work
I've seen several other projects flounder when they core developer(s) have real-life things
cause them grief. the point that we need to watch out for this sort of thing is very true.
Anticipating the sunset
Posted Jul 24, 2008 9:45 UTC (Thu) by kripkenstein (subscriber, #43281)
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> Regardless of the details of conformance tests or whatever (and the MySQL example was just
silly), the code is Free Software now, and more than anything else, the code matters.
Sure, the code is paramount, but I think the article makes a good point about the community
around the code being almost equally important. If OpenOffice is 'taken away from us', then
sure, we can continue to develop it - assuming we can find among us motivated individuals. My
concern is that it will be far easier to find people eager to start yet another office suite
rather than continue work on OO.
The FOSS community is pretty dependent upon some FOSS-but-commercially-developed projects,
like OpenOffice and Qt. It makes sense to speculate about what might happen if that
development should cease or something close to that.
That said, I do feel some unease in speculating about such things, in that it might offend the
relevant corporate entity, here, Sun. Sun deserves our thanks, not our offenses, although
still, we must be prepared for the worst.
Speculation
Posted Jul 24, 2008 13:21 UTC (Thu) by corbet (editor, #1)
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Of course the MySQL example was silly. All of the examples were silly. Deliberately so, just to avoid creating the temptation to take any of them seriously.
This may not be the best article I've ever written, but I will stand by the basic premise. There is value in looking at scenarios - especially reasonably likely scenarios - and thinking about what could happen. There is value in thinking about the robustness of our ecosystem. Forewarned is forearmed and all that.
Negative Energy
Posted Jul 24, 2008 15:14 UTC (Thu) by GreyWizard (guest, #1026)
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For what it's worth, I found the article thought provoking and the examples entertaining. I
also enjoyed reading walters' comment though: negative energy directed at an article on the
grounds that it contains too much negative energy. Brilliant use of irony!
Speculation
Posted Jul 30, 2008 3:14 UTC (Wed) by peter_w_morreale (subscriber, #30066)
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There was one scenario you failed to mention Jonathan: That a new CEO more committed to Open
Source replace Mr Schwartz.
Did someone say new CEO?
Posted Jul 30, 2008 22:02 UTC (Wed) by dmarti (subscriber, #11625)
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True, but it looks like Darl McBride is going to be looking for a job soon too.