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KDE on KDE 4.0 (Groklaw)KDE on KDE 4.0 (Groklaw)Posted Jul 12, 2008 17:17 UTC (Sat) by rsidd (subscriber, #2582)In reply to: KDE on KDE 4.0 (Groklaw) by mikov Parent article: KDE on KDE 4.0 (Groklaw)
I think "rare, obscure, corner-case issues" exist in all software of moderate complexity (except maybe TeX) and are not a reason for holding back a release. The thing people (me included) didn't like about the KDE 4.0 release was that the issues were not rare or corner-case -- they were glaringly obvious on a default install. And it wasn't just missing features -- it was crashes (particularly of plasma), random misdrawings of the screen, and so on. I'm now running KDE 4.1beta2 on one computer and am reasonably impressed with what they have achieved in the past six months. It is much less buggy and much more feature-complete, but there are still huge missing items (especially to do with configurability -- you can't even move icons on the panel, for example). I think KDE 4.1 would have been a fair "public beta" candidate, and if one wanted to stretch a point, it could even have been the 4.0 release. But the 4.0 that was actually released, even if advertised loudly as "developers and adventurous users only", was a bit of a shortchange.
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KDE on KDE 4.0 (Groklaw) Posted Jul 12, 2008 18:52 UTC (Sat) by Janne (guest, #40891) [Link] "It is much less buggy and much more feature-complete, but there are still huge missing items (especially to do with configurability -- you can't evenmove icons on the panel, for example)." Then you are happy to hear that they implemented the moving of icons 'n stuff in the panel after beta2 was released. So it will work in 4.1
KDE on KDE 4.0 (Groklaw) Posted Jul 13, 2008 18:18 UTC (Sun) by sebas (subscriber, #51660) [Link] As we said in the article, it was a basic finished desktop, but not for everyone. I, for example did use KDE 4.0 for all my daily work. That makes it at least suitable for some (which is what we claimed). By the way, there is no promise to make KDE 4 the same as 3.5, we'll make it better, whatever that means, but certainly different. You're welcome to hack on your pet feature though. We're hiring ;-)
KDE on KDE 4.0 (Groklaw) Posted Jul 14, 2008 6:31 UTC (Mon) by Cato (subscriber, #7643) [Link] Since it was "not for everyone", why wasn't it labelled as a Beta, Technology Preview, or similar? I use KDE as my desktop environment, and tried KDE 4.0 very soon after release via Live CD, without realising quite how incomplete it was. As a result, I wrote a number of comments on the feedback Wiki page saying how much work should have been done before it was released as plain "4.0" - this episode has not improved my confidence in the KDE project, to say the least. It would really help matters if the KDE developers just admitted they made a big mistake on the labelling of this release - the content was fine but it was a technology preview not a finished, usable release.
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