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Motorola Releases Touchscreen Linux Smartphone (InformationWeek)

InformationWeek looks at a new Linux-based Linux smartphone from Motorola. "The Linux-powered handset has a sleek candy-bar form factor, and the 2.2-inch touchscreen with 240 by 320 resolution. The included stylus can be used with the built-in handwriting recognition software. The smartphone will also come preloaded with stock trading and dictionary applications, and it's capable of receiving corporate e-mail. Users will be able to surf the Web on an integrated Opera browser, but this device cannot access 3G networks. Instead, the handset uses EDGE data for browsing and retrieving e-mails, with a top downlink speed of 236.8 Kbps."
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Motorola Releases Touchscreen Linux Smartphone (InformationWeek)

Posted Jul 10, 2008 15:26 UTC (Thu) by TxtEdMacs (subscriber, #5983) [Link]

It may come in black and white, but if the weight is correct, some people may develop black
and blue marks from over exertion carrying this lead brick.

RE: " ... The handset measures in at 4.1 by 2 by .5 inches, weighs 100 ounces, and will come
in black or white."

That's over 6 (U.S.) pounds, sure to tear the fabric out on normal pockets.  A cell phone
weighing more than many laptops and well above the new mini, netbook, cloud (or whatever).
Perhaps the batteries are lead based ... 

Motorola Releases Touchscreen Linux Smartphone (InformationWeek)

Posted Jul 10, 2008 15:50 UTC (Thu) by holstein (subscriber, #6122) [Link]

The article assume US-centric units...

It's actually 100 grams, according to Motorola litterature.,

Motorola Releases Touchscreen Linux Smartphone (InformationWeek)

Posted Jul 10, 2008 16:15 UTC (Thu) by TxtEdMacs (subscriber, #5983) [Link]

For a short period of time, the metric system seemed to be a few years away even for the U.S.
However, the imagined world of the past held too large an attraction to the "<i>American</i>"
[U.S.] public driven by parochial interests of political elites and corporate fellow
travelers.  Thus, the road signs showing both the metric and English distances disappeared
from U.S. road signs.

I knew it had to be an error, however, I was distracted to find the front page of my site
present, but access to all other content blocked by a supposed configuration error.  Since I
had changed nothing and even my supposed password not functioning to contact the hosting
service (despite them sending it three times) I had other worries.

I compliment you on getting to the real data.  For myself I was in a snide mood as the
previous paragraph displays I had cause.

Metric system go home

Posted Jul 10, 2008 17:14 UTC (Thu) by rogblake (guest, #18258) [Link]

I for one was delighted that the U.S. resisted pressure from the elite intellectual snobs (a
tiny minority) who were demanding that we conform en masse to the foreign/alien "metric
system." Hopefully we will retain our proper units of measure indefinitely in spite of any
residual Euro-centric snobbery.

Metric system go home

Posted Jul 10, 2008 17:24 UTC (Thu) by leoc (subscriber, #39773) [Link]

The problem with the internets is that it is too difficult to tell when someone is being
serious or not.  I will assume you ARE being serious though, because that maximizes the funny
(or "humourous" in imperial units).

Metric system go home

Posted Jul 17, 2008 21:37 UTC (Thu) by lysse (guest, #3190) [Link]

Actually that's "humorous" in imperial... but whether it's derived from "humor" or "humour" depends on the empire in question.

*ducks missiles from every direction*

Once U.S. empire will be destoryed it'll not matter anyway

Posted Jul 10, 2008 17:34 UTC (Thu) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link]

Can take 20 or perhaps 30 years, though...

Metric system go home

Posted Jul 10, 2008 18:15 UTC (Thu) by TxtEdMacs (subscriber, #5983) [Link]

I see you are a guest.  Does your disregard for aliens and elites take in the foreign import
of Linux and the coterie of snobs that support such endeavors?  If so, you must be a spy.  In
other times I would say "off with his head (or her, as the case might be)".  However, the
excesses of the Napoleonic era, when the French failed to enlighten the benighted Egyptians
made that gambit stale.  Even the most unenlightened now use it past all positive meaning.

So I might pose a query I got when trying to help a very confused individual.  "What are you
doing here?", when I explained I was not a regular member.  Lies, dissembled responses and
distractions expected ...

Metric system go home

Posted Jul 11, 2008 6:28 UTC (Fri) by frazier (guest, #3060) [Link]

I'll try to explain this as best I can.

1. People are comfortable with what they are familiar with.
2. Marketing deals with appealing to people.
3. Things that are familiar have an appeal to people.
4. People don't like condescending undertones.
5. The "Your way sucks" message isn't appealing, even if it is correct.

If you had an imperfect system, but weren't using it for very active tasks and it was
familiar, but people swooped in with desires to take it from you where you live, what would
your reaction be? 

If Motorola had used correct ounces or pounds and ounces it would mean something to me. A
metric measurement would not. Same with temperature. Yes, I know Celsius runs water from 0
freezing to 100 boiling, but what does 34 degrees Celsius feel like? I don't know. I do know
what 72 degrees Fahrenheit feels like, depending on humidity.

That site seems to have a USA market base (see the job listings). Though Motorola goofed up,
presenting weights to the USA market in weights that are familiar in that market makes sense.

Please ask questions. I'm here to help.


-Brock

Metric system go home

Posted Jul 11, 2008 20:01 UTC (Fri) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]

People would probably take you more seriously if you didn't sound like such a nutter. 

I live in the US. The country roads intersect at every mile marker, not kilometers. The road
are marked by miles from state lines, also.

My foot is roughly equal to a foot and so is my forearm. I can measure things by walking.
Estimating a inch is very simple thing for me to do. I can visualize how much a 'gallon' is, I
can understand what a 'ounce' is. It's normal to me. And ironically I also know what a 2 liter
bottle looks like, and what a 40 ounce bottle looks like. 

The metric system is more convenient because it's all in powers of ten, but other then that I
couldn't give a crap. There is no conspiracy, because people just don't care that much. If it
was up to our government we would of moved to metric measurements years ago, but luckily don't
run things (yet).

Metric system go home

Posted Jul 10, 2008 20:02 UTC (Thu) by kune (guest, #172) [Link]

I wonder, where this US citizen wants to send his government. From the website of the National
Institute of Standards and Technology:

...
Congress, recognizing the necessity of the United States' conformance with international
standards for trade, included new encouragement for U.S. industrial metrication in the Omnibus
Trade and Competitiveness Act of 1988. This legislation amended the Metric Conversion Act of
1975 and designates the metric system as the Preferred system of weights and measures for
United States trade and commerce." The legislation states that the Federal Government has a
responsibility to assist industry, especially small business, as it voluntarily converts to
the metric system of measurement.

Federal agencies were required by this legislation, with certain exceptions, to use the metric
system in their procurement, grants and other business-related activities by the end of 1992.
While not mandating metric use in the private sector, the Federal Government has sought to
serve as a catalyst in the metric conversion of the country's trade, industry, and commerce.

The current effort toward national metrication is based on the conclusion that industrial and
commercial productivity, mathematics and science education, and the competitiveness of
American products and services in world markets, will be enhanced by completing the change to
the metric system of units. Failure to complete the change will increasingly handicap the
Nation's industry and economy.

http://ts.nist.gov/WeightsAndMeasures/Metric/lc1136a.cfm

Metric system go home

Posted Jul 10, 2008 23:52 UTC (Thu) by qg6te2 (guest, #52587) [Link]

This document gains more weight when one considers the combined stuff up of NASA and Lockheed Martin (supposedly a professional company). The failure of not standardising on SI units led to the expensive and highly embarrassing loss of the Mars Climate Orbiter.

Metric system go home

Posted Jul 10, 2008 23:37 UTC (Thu) by dskoll (subscriber, #1630) [Link]

That was a joke, right?

Or do you like trivia like 16, 12, 5280, 3, 1760, etc?

Actually, I think the US should go *really* way back to pounds, shillings and pence.  None of
this whipper-snapper decimal nonsense.

Meh.  I'm off to have 1/68th of a firkin of beer.  (Oh, and that's a US firkin.  I'm not
thirsty enough for 1/68th of a British firkin.)

Metric system go home

Posted Jul 11, 2008 18:14 UTC (Fri) by endecotp (guest, #36428) [Link]

> pounds, shillings and pence

Well they do have dollars, dimes and cents.  I always come back from the U.S. with a pocket
full of 1 dime coins that I get given as change, but can't spend because they don't say what
they're worth.  I think they're probably shillings but I'm never sure.  How many other
visitors do that?  I keep them in a box with my Canadian Tyre money.

There have been a few obituaries published recently for David Caminer, designer of the LEO
computers back in the 1950s/60s.  Something I noticed in an annotated photo of the room-sized
machine was the large rack marked "pounds, shillings, pence conversion logic".  I laughed!
I'll try to remember that next time I find myself complaining about some nasty legacy format
that my code has to deal with.

Metric system go home

Posted Jul 11, 2008 20:05 UTC (Fri) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]

A dime is worth 1/10 of a dollar. A nickle is worth 1/20. A quarter is 1/4. A penny is 1/100. 


Metric system go home

Posted Jul 11, 2008 9:43 UTC (Fri) by jeff@uclinux.org (guest, #8024) [Link]

Hmmm ;-^

It really is surprising to see just how backward the Imperial English, er, US system really
is,
even for a Canadian... Canada ostensibly changed to metric before I was in Primary School.

Now, from Japan, it's startling just how many things Imperial units manage to mess up even in 
Canada in retrospect.  Just a short list...

Paper.  Standard international paper sizes, best thing since sliced bread.
PCB level component dimensions.  Inch based grids and mil ... Phooey!
Wood sizes.  What's a 2x4?  Really.  'Cause it sure isn't 2 inch by 4.

I guess it's hard to describe, but it really is noticeable, on a day to day basis.  Things fit
together,
everything works with everything else.  There are a few holdouts here too though, in the areas
you might expect.  Size of space in real estate is measured in Tsubo.  But it's easy deal
with,
1 Tsubo = 2 tatami mats, so you can convert easily ;-)

Metric system go home

Posted Jul 11, 2008 16:56 UTC (Fri) by pr1268 (subscriber, #24648) [Link]

> 1 Tsubo = 2 tatami mats

Hehe, that's a new conversion for me. Personally, I like Google's conversion utility--how else could I figure out that 1 barn megaparsec is equal to 0.62 US teaspoons? :)

Back to the Motorola phone, 100 grams = 3.52 ounces. Sounds pretty lightweight, IMO.

Metric system go home

Posted Jul 11, 2008 18:58 UTC (Fri) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

Well, units(1) knows the definition of the barn, the megaparsec, and the 
us teaspoon...

Metric system go home

Posted Jul 12, 2008 20:52 UTC (Sat) by macc (subscriber, #510) [Link]

well,
Imperial units for an Imperial nation.


The british went from gallons ( 4.45liters, not the undersize US gallon)
to liters to get by having to add a pound wheel to the prize/per 
at the pump.
But this must have broken some dike.

After the change from pence per gallon to pence per liter changing
over to nnn km to London went realy fast ;-)

G!
MACC
who thinks that some USAns have a problem with the 3 R's.
the article says 10 ounces which adds up to about  0.283kg


Metric system go home

Posted Jul 17, 2008 21:42 UTC (Thu) by lysse (guest, #3190) [Link]

Wood sizes. What's a 2x4? Really. 'Cause it sure isn't 2 inch by 4.

It is, in cross-section.

Metric system go home

Posted Jul 14, 2008 6:35 UTC (Mon) by Cato (subscriber, #7643) [Link]

Actually it's "global-centric snobbery" - the US is virtually the only holdout against the
metric system.

Metric system go home

Posted Jul 14, 2008 7:02 UTC (Mon) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

Today of all days one should admit that this was originally a good idea of 
the French. (The metric calendar was probably their least good idea in 
this area, but it did not survive.)

Metric system go home

Posted Jul 25, 2008 21:05 UTC (Fri) by renox (guest, #23785) [Link]

I'm not sure that any calendar can be rational/simple given the weird length of a year.

But if you think about the current hour/min/sec system and the difficulties the children have
learning it, its ambiguousness (10 o'clock: is-it 10am or 10pm?) a decimal based time
representation would be a good idea:
the current day would be sudvided in deci-days, which would themselves be devided in
centi-days, etc.


Lead is just not sufficiently dense...

Posted Jul 11, 2008 17:48 UTC (Fri) by PaulMcKenney (subscriber, #9624) [Link]

Sorry, but lead doesn't come close.  I get a density of 7,024 pounds per cubic foot for this
cell phone.  Last I checked, lead weigh in at less than 1,000 pounds per cubic foot.

Lead is just not sufficiently dense...

Posted Jul 11, 2008 18:39 UTC (Fri) by TxtEdMacs (subscriber, #5983) [Link]

Sorry, but you are misguided ... since you missed the very essence of creative, fiction
writing (as so adroitly practiced in the current U.S. scene).  Never become confused by
trivial facts, when blatant lies are much more pleasing [to your target] audience.

Lead is just not sufficiently dense...

Posted Jul 11, 2008 19:03 UTC (Fri) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

So, basically, if we were to believe the article, this is a phone made of 
compressed plutonium? (Plutonium is less than twice lead's density. Of 
course, if you manage to compress plutonium by that much... well, this 
would be a phone which would certainly keep you... *warm*, shall we say.)

Journalists really don't do any kind of fact checking at all any more, do 
they? :/

Lead is just not sufficiently dense...

Posted Jul 11, 2008 20:56 UTC (Fri) by njs (subscriber, #40338) [Link]

>well, this would be a phone which would certainly keep you... *warm*, shall we say.

Perhaps, but it makes up for it with the excellent battery life.

Motorola A810 is *not* running Linux

Posted Jul 11, 2008 16:19 UTC (Fri) by LinuxDevices (guest, #51613) [Link]

The A810 is *not* running Linux. At least, that's what Motorola's Asia-Pacific group told me.

The only one of the new Ming PDA phones running Linux is the A1600, which is approved by the
FCC for U.S. use, by the way. It builds on the A1200, long a staple on eBay for U.S. users
wanting a richer smartphone featureset that Mot offers in its U.S. phones.

See coverage here:

http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS5207559671.html

and here

http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS8225433949.html

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