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Safety features

Posted Jul 10, 2008 12:05 UTC (Thu) by tialaramex (subscriber, #21167)
In reply to: SELinux and Fedora by jmorris42
Parent article: SELinux and Fedora

Actually most cars that I've seen simply have a sticker which says something like "Danger: Air
bag fitted:: Do not use rear-facing child seats" and the government produces pictographic
instructions which are mandatory for new child seats that show the best place to put them (in
the back of the car, it's amazing how many parents somehow can't figure that out) and how to
correctly fit them, plus the explicit warning about not using them in the front. There have
never been suitable restraints in the front of a car to have a baby or young child next to you
while driving, (hint: it will still be there when you arrive, and whatever it's screaming
about you won't be able to do anything about it while driving) so don't do it unless its an
emergency.

It's true that US drivers love to disable safety features, often by removing the relevant fuse
or micro- circuit breaker. I'd assumed this was part of the same culture that causes them to
fight seat belt laws, drink drive laws etc. a sort of misplaced devil-may-care frontier thing.

As to SELinux, I haven't found it a large obstacle. My colleague on the other hand seems to
have no end of problems, I think it's about how you approach security problems. My approach
agrees with that of SELinux, whitelisting, safe-by-default, assume unknowns are bad etc. while
his is constantly in conflict with it, he'd rather blacklist things once he sees why they were
bad, and so on. He gets things done faster, but they break more often (and often in ways that
have potential security consequences).

I found out the other day that he hates the safety interlock delay on washing machines. I was
very happy when I found out about that delay as a teenager (doing my first load of washing and
of course reading the manual), it seemed like a sensible way to avoid potentially dangerous
interactions between operator and machine, but to him it's apparently a constant source of
frustration.


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Safety features

Posted Jul 13, 2008 10:16 UTC (Sun) by modernjazz (guest, #4185) [Link]

To both jmorris42 and tialaramex: can we please keep the cross-Atlantic 
sniping out of technical discussions? Accusing the British government of 
indirectly killing children for idealogical reasons is outrageous and 
inflammatory---in addition to being wrong and grossly unfair, the 
seriousness of that charge goes so far beyond what is needed to make the 
point that it derails the whole discussion.

Similarly, blaming an "American frontier mentality" for technical 
concerns about airbags that in fact do go well beyond babies in child 
seats is misinformed and reactionary. There are indeed circumstances 
where doing something to disable the airbag on your car is the best thing 
you can do for the safety of even young/small adults.

Safety features

Posted Jul 14, 2008 10:23 UTC (Mon) by paulj (subscriber, #341) [Link]

it's amazing how many parents somehow can't figure that out

Some parents may have 2 or 3 children who are too old for baby seats, but too young/small to be allowed to legally sit in front seat (least, without additional specialised seat restraint systems) and so, out of convenience or neccesity, must use the 2 or 3 rear seats, leaving the front seat as only option for baby seat..

Safety features

Posted Jul 21, 2008 12:12 UTC (Mon) by ekj (guest, #1524) [Link]

Except offcourse, if you've got multiple kids.

We've got 3. We've also got a reasonably small car. (It's not as if we -knew- we'd get twins,
ok ?)

End-result ? The only practical way of transporting the three of them to childcare is having
the older one infront next to me, and the smaller twins in the back. 

Offcourse a kill-switch for the passenger-airbag was a $75 fix, so it's not a big deal. Just
saying there -are- legitimate reasons for having a small child in front, sometimes.

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