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The critics are wrong: KDE 4 doesn't need a fork (ars technica)The critics are wrong: KDE 4 doesn't need a fork (ars technica)Posted Jul 3, 2008 0:07 UTC (Thu) by cleary (guest, #41669)Parent article: The critics are wrong: KDE 4 doesn't need a fork (ars technica)
It's a shame that every single discussion on this topic descends into a war of words. Aaron Seigo has taken his blog http://aseigo.blogspot.com/ offline in the past month, something I followed quite closely and enjoyed for the preview of incoming features. I've been trying to find out his reason for doing this without any luck, but I would not be surprised if the "hand waving" wore him down/out. I'm also concerned that the frustration being levelled at the kde team is unfair - they didn't push it on anyone, if the premature inclusion of the software in a distribution is anyone's fault, it is that distribution's. It would also appear people are looking for kde 4 as the endpoint - imo it should also be seen as an enabler. It is infrastructure on which you can more easily build the desktop you want. Personally, I've thoroughly enjoyed watching the desktop mature from 4.0 through til now (4.0.84 in debian experimental, that's right, debian aren't including it in their next release, the sign of a sensible distribution?), with major improvements at each minor version update. Now yakuake is finally running in it, my ratio of production time spent on kde3 vs 4 is finally tipping in 4's favour :)
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The critics are wrong: KDE 4 doesn't need a fork (ars technica) Posted Jul 3, 2008 1:04 UTC (Thu) by Sutoka (guest, #43890) [Link] He took his blog offline (well, invite only) due to pretty much exactly what you guessed. I think the straw that broke the camel's back (so to speak) was the whole travesty where people COMPLETELY misunderstood his blog entry announcing Folderview. They took his joke title as being serious and seemed not to read his post, or overlooked key points like the plans for it in 4.2. Hopefully for 4.1 and 4.2 the flames will die down and he'll reopen it, but who knows what'll happen.
The critics are wrong: KDE 4 doesn't need a fork (ars technica) Posted Jul 3, 2008 8:12 UTC (Thu) by renox (guest, #23785) [Link] >They took his joke title as being serious and seemed not to read his post, or overlooked key points like the plans for it in 4.2. Well, maybe he shouldn't have made this joke then? I've read from time to time his blog, and my view is that he is not a good communicator (in his blog). So it's not a big surprise that there are misunderstandings.. When you claim a 're-invention' of the GUI as Plasma people did, it's no wonder that some users are very nervous about KDE4, and to avoid this you need to be 'crystal clear' in the communication (and avoid the .0 naming mess).
The critics are wrong: KDE 4 doesn't need a fork (ars technica) Posted Jul 3, 2008 16:25 UTC (Thu) by Sutoka (guest, #43890) [Link] >Well, maybe he shouldn't have made this joke then? So now people, on their own *personal blog*, can't even make a joke where if you read ANY of the entry you'll see it is an obvious joke (the title he bans the icons, the entry was entirely about their much better method of handling icons for 4.1). >I've read from time to time his blog, and my view is >that he is not a good communicator (in his blog). >So it's not a big surprise that there are misunderstandings.. I read his blog extensively and never had any trouble with his communication skills. In fact, I'd say they're very good if you can actually handle jokes (if you can't, you might wanna avoid this thing called the Internet... I hear it's full of 'em). >When you claim a 're-invention' of the GUI as Plasma >people did, it's no wonder that some users are very nervous >about KDE4, and to avoid this you need to be 'crystal clear' >in the communication (and avoid the .0 naming mess). Plasma's long term goal is to re-invent the GUI, the short term goal is to provide a KDE 4 equivalent of KDesktop/Kicker thats far easier to maintain and extend.
The critics are wrong: KDE 4 doesn't need a fork (ars technica) Posted Jul 3, 2008 4:16 UTC (Thu) by pynm0001 (guest, #18379) [Link] > Aaron Seigo has taken his blog http://aseigo.blogspot.com/ offline in the > past month, something I followed quite closely and enjoyed for the > preview of incoming features. I've been trying to find out his reason for > doing this without any luck, but I would not be surprised if the > "hand waving" wore him down/out. Yes, he got tired of being constantly and viciously criticized for things that were spread between: *) simply not true (i.e. mean old Aaron doesn't like desktop icons) *) used to be true but has been fixed (many things in Plasma :) *) personal attacks everywhere he goes, etc. etc. The unfortunate thing is that he does value the constructive criticism that he has (and continues to) receive. But many people started blaming Aaron personally for any little thing that they didn't like in KDE 4 and turned into assholes. (see also http://www.xkcd.com/438/) And that caused all the constructive feedback to get lost in the noise. So he has gone back to being productive even though that means having to tune out a lot of different channels of interaction he used to be available on. Fear not though, Plasma continues to march on and improve.
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