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In defense of FirefoxIn defense of FirefoxPosted May 29, 2008 3:50 UTC (Thu) by kjp (subscriber, #39639)Parent article: In defense of Firefox
>>The other common complaint has to do with why Firefox is using a relational database in the first place.<< The relational db part of sqlite isn't the issue, nor is it bloated. It's the (easily turned off) paranoid transaction safety that's the question. I have no fear though, that this bug will be easily fixed by turning off synchronous transaction writes (something I have done in my own sqlite app as it gives like ~50 times performance) and simply atomically copy/rename the file periodically to suit mobile or performance users.
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In defense of Firefox Posted May 29, 2008 6:06 UTC (Thu) by roelofs (guest, #2599) [Link] The relational db part of sqlite isn't the issue, ...I believe it's one of the issues. Some of us like the ability to hand-edit the bookmarks file, grep it, diff it, copy/merge it between machines, etc. (Granted, there are probably better ways to handle the latter...) If I'm not mistaken (and here I [blush] have to admit that I have yet to try FF3, so I easily could be mistaken), bookmarks are one of the things now hidden within the binary blob that is the sqlite database. Greg
In defense of Firefox Posted May 29, 2008 6:45 UTC (Thu) by tetromino (subscriber, #33846) [Link] So just run sqlite3 ~/.mozilla/firefox/*/places.sqlite and hand-edit the bookmark database via simple SQL commands...
In defense of Firefox Posted May 29, 2008 11:02 UTC (Thu) by k8to (subscriber, #15413) [Link] Because knowlege of use of text editors implies knowledge of SQL commands?
In defense of Firefox Posted May 29, 2008 11:43 UTC (Thu) by hummassa (subscriber, #307) [Link] I would say knowledge of how to use a text editor to edit your bookmarks.xml files pretty much implies sufficient knowledge to learn a couple of SELECTs.
In defense of Firefox Posted Jun 5, 2008 9:52 UTC (Thu) by anandsr21 (guest, #28562) [Link] I find your faith in the cut copy paste generation, disturbing ;-).
In defense of Firefox Posted May 29, 2008 8:23 UTC (Thu) by roc (subscriber, #30627) [Link] The really good news is that *history*, which used to be in the appalling "mork" format, is now also in SQLite. So accessing your history data just got increadibly easier.
In defense of Firefox Posted May 29, 2008 12:59 UTC (Thu) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link] Seconded. Anything which kills mork off for good and hurls it into the Sun with a stake through its heart is a good thing in my book.
In defense of Firefox Posted May 29, 2008 9:23 UTC (Thu) by Tuxie (guest, #47191) [Link] Normally I'd agree with you but Sqlite is a pretty standard and is supported just about everywhere, and the flexibility improvements it adds to Firefox are significant and definitely worth it. If you want to manipulate the data outside of FF, run "sqlite3 path/to/db.sqlite" and manipulate whatever you want with standard SQL. You can also use just any programming language there is to automate your FF-data manipulation tasks, something that was way harder before.
In defense of Firefox Posted May 29, 2008 13:43 UTC (Thu) by iabervon (subscriber, #722) [Link] The bookmarks.html file is still there; it's just no longer authoritative. So you can search it (and use it as your home page) as before; it probably wouldn't be hard to write something to take a HTML file and update the database with it, either, but I don't know if anyone's written that. Personally, what I'd like is if they made "live bookmarks" in the HTML file have a button to use AJAX to get recent items.
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