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Hans Reiser Guilty of First Degree Murder (Wired)Hans Reiser Guilty of First Degree Murder (Wired)Posted Apr 29, 2008 21:16 UTC (Tue) by rahvin (subscriber, #16953)In reply to: Hans Reiser Guilty of First Degree Murder (Wired) by nye Parent article: Hans Reiser Guilty of First Degree Murder (Wired)
Not to defend the trollish nature of the poster you are replying to but many people do not consider prison about reform. A number of people consider reform a secondary goal of prison and punishment as the first goal.
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Hans Reiser Guilty of First Degree Murder (Wired) Posted Apr 30, 2008 7:00 UTC (Wed) by Janne (guest, #40891) [Link] What is the goal of prison: a) punish the criminal b) reduce the amount of crime If you select A, you will most likely end up with a system where the criminal spends some time in prison, gets released, commits another crime, gets sent to prison etc. etc. In option B, the criminal is sent to prison. But instead of focusing on "punishing" the criminal (well he is punished as well, since physical confinement that is prison is a punishment), they also try to make sure that he can re-integrate back in to the society. That way he wont commit any more crimes after he has been released. If prison focuses on "punishment", the man that is released after his time is up, is a broken and bitter person, with no real hope for the future. And that is exactly the kind of person who will commit more crimes. Do those extra crimes help society? No they do not. What does help the society? Productive members of the society.
Hans Reiser Guilty of First Degree Murder (Wired) Posted Apr 30, 2008 23:52 UTC (Wed) by rahvin (subscriber, #16953) [Link] I discussing my personal feelings on the matter the point of prison is to remove the individual from society. Not for the sake of the prisoner, but for the sake of society. Rehabilitation or punishment are secondary to removing the person committing illegal acts from society. Of course it's hoped that in allowing the person back out that they will have learned a lesson but I highly doubt you could prove that very many (if any at all) rehabilitation programs have lower recidivism rates than the general prison population. Every scientific, rather than anecdotal, study I have seen shows there is no correlation between recidivism and "rehabilitation" programs and that return rate is the same in almost every study. Someone else pointed to USA recidivism rates and tried to infer the Europe is better in this regard than the US because of softer sentencing, this is while neglecting that the numbers are almost identical in both jurisdictions. First time offenders are about 60% likely to re-offend, of re-offenders 90% will re-offend again after the 2nd prison term. This has led to the idea of the three strikes system in some states because it keeps the people that will re-offend in prison rather than releasing them to commit more crime.
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