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Do the actually not like their users?
Do the actually not like their users?
Posted Apr 23, 2008 21:57 UTC (Wed) by tjc (subscriber, #137)In reply to: Do the actually not like their users? by dskoll
Parent article: The Grumpy Editor encounters the Hardy Heron
From the brief and unpleasant interactions I've had with GNOME developers, I would conclude that they do not like their users.I think they mostly like Microsoft's users, which is where a lot of the discontent comes from.
It's a lot easier to keep make-believe users that you don't really have happy than it is to please the ones that are actually using the software. As a result, features are added (and removed) that no-one actually requested.
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Do the actually not like their users?
Posted Apr 24, 2008 1:04 UTC (Thu) by dskoll (subscriber, #1630) [Link]
*zing* Yow! :-) I must put the parent post in my .sig.
Do the actually not like their users?
Posted Apr 24, 2008 6:20 UTC (Thu) by allesfresser (subscriber, #216) [Link]
I would definitely agree with that comment, especially in my own pet-peeve case: file-selector widget sorting. GTK/Gnome has the setting to sort folders separately from files fixed in stone (well, in the source code, but it might as well be in granite), with a snarky little comment about how this is the One True Way and it will Always Be That Way. Fortunately, a little snip-snip with the editor, and a recompile, and the One True Way disappears into the ether. :) When I say I want things sorted by last-modified date, that's exactly what I mean, d*** it. It doesn't matter that the last-modified thing is a folder or not--whatever it is, put it at the top (or the bottom, if the sort is reversed)!
Do the actually not like their users?
Posted Apr 24, 2008 7:59 UTC (Thu) by debacle (subscriber, #7114) [Link]
Could you please post, where I have to change this? Patch or filename+number would be OK. TIA.
Do the actually not like their users?
Posted Apr 24, 2008 16:53 UTC (Thu) by allesfresser (subscriber, #216) [Link]
When I patched it out before, it was lines 5644 to 5707 of gtk+-2.10.14/gtk/gtkfilechooserdefault.c. You'll probably be able to see what to cut out and rearrange (essentially, remove the COMPARE_DIRECTORIES macro calls). I'm grabbing 2.12.9 right now, and I'll see if it's the same way--if so, I'll post a diff.
Do the actually not like their users?
Posted Apr 24, 2008 17:04 UTC (Thu) by allesfresser (subscriber, #216) [Link]
It is still the same in 2.12.9. Following is a patch. I didn't choose to remove the definition for the COMPARE_DIRECTORIES macro, because it won't make any difference in the generated code, but you can take it out if you want to be extra-neat.
--- gtk+-2.12.9-orig/gtk/gtkfilechooserdefault.c 2008-04-24 09:57:46.000000000 -0700
+++ gtk+-2.12.9-modified/gtk/gtkfilechooserdefault.c 2008-04-24 09:59:23.000000000 -0700
@@ -6278,8 +6278,6 @@
GtkTreeIter *b,
gpointer user_data)
{
- COMPARE_DIRECTORIES;
- else
return strcmp (gtk_file_info_get_display_key (info_a), gtk_file_info_get_display_key (info_b));
}
@@ -6290,14 +6288,10 @@
GtkTreeIter *b,
gpointer user_data)
{
- COMPARE_DIRECTORIES;
- else
- {
gint64 size_a = gtk_file_info_get_size (info_a);
gint64 size_b = gtk_file_info_get_size (info_b);
return size_a > size_b ? -1 : (size_a == size_b ? 0 : 1);
- }
}
/* Sort callback for the mtime column */
@@ -6307,14 +6301,10 @@
GtkTreeIter *b,
gpointer user_data)
{
- COMPARE_DIRECTORIES;
- else
- {
GtkFileTime ta = gtk_file_info_get_modification_time (info_a);
GtkFileTime tb = gtk_file_info_get_modification_time (info_b);
return ta > tb ? -1 : (ta == tb ? 0 : 1);
- }
}
/* Callback used when the sort column changes. We cache the sort order for use
Do the actually not like their users?
Posted Apr 25, 2008 9:02 UTC (Fri) by regala (subscriber, #15745) [Link]
What can be sure is that you people don't like people but yourselves. Read what you wrote, insulting fair developers who try to make a desktop environment for the people not you, you, you. Some project choose a way, a policy, some others, another and so one. So instead of spreading a hell of FUD just you and you and you there, hidden behind the pillar, just speak yourself what you are about to frentically write, and notice you are just among GNOME-haters here. Brain-masturbation isn't it ?