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Low-cost laptop program sees a key leadership defection (AP)

Low-cost laptop program sees a key leadership defection (AP)

Posted Apr 23, 2008 1:34 UTC (Wed) by uravanbob (subscriber, #4050)
Parent article: Low-cost laptop program sees a key leadership defection (AP)

The devel-list archives at wiki.laptop.org has an interesting thread pertaining to this.  It
is not clear that MS has won - OLPC is more than NN and many of the OLPC people are not
on-board with the laptops vs education redirection.  I think that NN discounted how much
people involved in Sugar feel the need to have an open source base, and Walter B, discounts
NN's statement that the project has been held up by open source fundamentalism.


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Low-cost laptop program sees a key leadership defection (AP)

Posted Apr 23, 2008 7:46 UTC (Wed) by rsidd (subscriber, #2582) [Link]

Whatever.  The point is NOBODY in OLPC seems to be in it for the kids.  Negroponte is in it
for self-aggrandisement.  Some others are in it to spread open-source evangelism.  Some others
are in it because it seems a cool hacking project.  The manufacturers are in it for the money.
And what part of OLPC, precisely, benefits the kids -- at any rate, benefits them more than
buying them $100 worth of textbooks, or even $10 worth?  I'm in India and $10 here will get
you two or three years worth of textbooks, which is more than the average life of a laptop --
particularly one as prone to abuse as the XO is likely to be.  I rarely applaud decisions the
Indian government makes, but the decision not to join what was, at best, a misguided egotrip
of Negroponte and, at worst, an active scam, was absolutely spot-on.

Low-cost laptop program sees a key leadership defection (AP)

Posted Apr 23, 2008 8:46 UTC (Wed) by danieldk (subscriber, #27876) [Link]

While I do think the OLPC could be great for textbooks, the question is who is going to write
high-quality textbooks and provide them cheaper than the prices that you already mentioned. Of
course, existing publishers could provide electronic books at a low price per pop (and make a
profit on the quantities). Suppose that these non-free textbooks are half the price of
on-paper textbooks for third world countries, you'll still many textbooks to cover the cost of
an XO machine.

Not to mention that dead tree books work better for extreme climates.

I think many people involved have noble intentions. And as a side effect, the XO has pushed
down prices for other laptops. But I am not sure whether an XO is a better investment than
text books, and maybe normal computers in a more protected environment (e.g. a classroom),
where they have a longer lifetime, and you don't need one machine per kid.

Low-cost laptop program sees a key leadership defection (AP)

Posted Apr 23, 2008 10:49 UTC (Wed) by jamesh (subscriber, #1159) [Link]

Who do you think currently writes the text books?  What do you think makes a text book sell?

If the education department for a country or state proscribes a text book that is available in
an electronic form, why would it sell any worse than if they proscribed a paper text book?

As the curriculum differs from country to country (or even state to state within a country),
the text books are often written by teachers from that region.  If electronic texts are being
proscribed, why wouldn't these same people write electronic text books?

Low-cost laptop program sees a key leadership defection (AP)

Posted Apr 23, 2008 15:48 UTC (Wed) by danieldk (subscriber, #27876) [Link]

Who do you think currently writes the text books? What do you think makes a text book sell? Sure, as I said, existing publishers. But they want good money for it, and even if the price is only half the ~$10 mentioned, you need to buy many textbooks to compensate the cost of an XO. So, why not buy dead-tree textbooks. (I was kinda aiming at, who is going to write Creative Commons-licensed textbooks ;).)

Low-cost laptop program sees a key leadership defection (AP)

Posted Apr 23, 2008 16:48 UTC (Wed) by macc (subscriber, #510) [Link]

commercial textbook creators are in for the margin.
just like with the overpriced dead tree educational 
merchandise.
A pdf version ( or other format) will be milked for 
the last <smallest monetary unit> that can be extracted
from the state.

G!
MACC

Low-cost laptop program sees a key leadership defection (AP)

Posted Apr 24, 2008 15:46 UTC (Thu) by BenHutchings (subscriber, #37955) [Link]

Spelling flame: there's a big difference between "prescribe" and "proscribe".

Low-cost laptop program sees a key leadership defection (AP)

Posted Apr 23, 2008 12:54 UTC (Wed) by shapr (subscriber, #9077) [Link]

I disagree. I spent some social time with two of the OLPC people at the end of January. The two OLPC people I am aquainted with, Chris Ball and Michael Stone, are two of the most intelligent and hardworking people I know. They really are in it for the kids.
I also got a short tour of the OLPC offices, and took some nifty pictures .

I don't believe the OLPC effort is either an egotrip or a scam. I think it's a good idea, and I hope it continues.

Low-cost laptop program sees a key leadership defection (AP)

Posted Apr 24, 2008 21:14 UTC (Thu) by Cato (subscriber, #7643) [Link]

Although I haven't met OLPC people myself, this is the same impression I've got.  I'm really
astonished by the amount of negativity coming out - as soon as the project starts running into
trouble, people seem to jump on the bandwagon to knock it.  I wonder how much of this bad
press is due to companies such as Intel and Microsoft who are threatened by the OLPC...

Part of this is because OLPC set such astonishingly high goals that it was almost bound to
fail - but even if it misses some goals it has done amazing things to the design of laptops
(very low power wireless mesh networks, dual-mode screens that work in intense sunlight and
also at very low power, etc), and even created a new ultra low end laptop market segment (with
the eee PC as the first commercially available example).

Low-cost laptop program sees a key leadership defection (AP)

Posted Apr 25, 2008 1:09 UTC (Fri) by bronson (subscriber, #4806) [Link]

It's probably because most people, myself included, don't care if OLPC does truly amazing
things.  We (allow myself to speak for everybody ;) only care that the XO works well.

Frankly, I think most of this bad press has been due to Negroponte himself.  The guy changes
his position every 3 months and explains himself only in vaguest non-statements (the most
recent ones about fundamentalist open source guys were particularly awesome).  His position on
just about everything practical is unclear.  Except on selling the XO in the first world, the
only market that's shown solid, organic success: he's against that!

OLPC needs to hire a good PR team to clean up NN's message and the company's positioning.  The
press coverage has just been getting worse and worse and I really don't think it's due to some
sort of Asus/Intel consipiracy.

Low-cost laptop program sees a key leadership defection (AP)

Posted Apr 23, 2008 15:55 UTC (Wed) by donbarry (guest, #10485) [Link]

Unfortunately, in a hierarchical organization like OLPC, the direction
*is* set from above.  Salaried people on a team have their golden chains
and the price of the gold is to take direction, or leave.  We're seeing
some courageous people making that choice.

Of course, *volunteer* work is entirely another matter.  But there is
an enormous hurdle in trying to overcome an opposing direction set 
monolithically from above.  When leadership sells out to Microsoft it
shouldn't be any surprise when the people making the project wake up to
find the big fat attractive wooden horse their bosses have invited into
the castle overnight has more than a few unwelcome surprises waiting for them.  

Shame on Nicholas Negroponte.  Shame!  Shame!

Don Barry,
Cornell University

Not really that surprising

Posted Apr 23, 2008 20:23 UTC (Wed) by man_ls (subscriber, #15091) [Link]

Negroponte has created or estimulated a lot of fads, and not one which has come out right. Just look at virtual reality: we are still not wearing that ridiculous helmet and gloves all the time. Reading over his Wired column 15 years later it all sounds hollow and dated.

Low-cost laptop program sees a key leadership defection (AP)

Posted Apr 23, 2008 21:50 UTC (Wed) by mitchskin (subscriber, #32405) [Link]

I particularly liked this post from Bender:
http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-April/013067.html

About the idea that "open-source fundamentalism" has impeded the progress of the XO:
Ironically, the majority of the system-level problems we had experienced are directly tied to the two proprietary code bases on the laptop: the wireless firmware and the embedded controller firmware. While there are efforts to replace these, OLPC itself has been diligently working with both Marvell and Quanta to make the best of the situation. To suggest that fundamentalism has impeded progress on those two subsystems is not correct.

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