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Ubuntu 8.04 LTS server and desktop releasesUbuntu 8.04 LTS server and desktop releasesPosted Apr 22, 2008 23:09 UTC (Tue) by vmole (subscriber, #111)In reply to: Ubuntu 8.04 LTS server and desktop releases by jwb Parent article: Ubuntu 8.04 LTS server and desktop releases
"Waaah! Debian never keeps its release schedules!" Okay, lets make a Debian-like distribution that hits its schedules and is close to bleeding edge. "Waaah! Ubuntu ships buggy stuff!" Grrrrrr. (Not aimed at jwb in particular, BTW. Just pointing out that there's always going to be some disappointed people.)
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Ubuntu 8.04 LTS server and desktop releases Posted Apr 22, 2008 23:16 UTC (Tue) by ArbitraryConstant (guest, #42725) [Link] I think a corollary to meeting schedules is dropping features from a given release if they're too ambitious. Some of these IMO qualify as show-stoppers.
Ubuntu 8.04 LTS server and desktop releases Posted Apr 23, 2008 6:29 UTC (Wed) by joib (guest, #8541) [Link] What's so irritating is that at least some of these are really simple and obvious fixes. The kernel could be fixed with a 1-line change in the kernel config. PulseAudio is a good idea IMHO, but most of the problems with it seems to be due to not shipping an out-of-the-box config that is optimized for PA, like the "PerfectSetup" page on the PA wiki. What the heck where they thinking?
Ubuntu 8.04 LTS server and desktop releases Posted Apr 23, 2008 8:47 UTC (Wed) by alankila (subscriber, #47141) [Link] I have a written a few ALSA applications in my time. Nothing serious, though. While I hold no love for ALSA, I also do not appreciate the pulseaudio developers' apparent attitude that everything not using their shit is legacy. (A comment to this effect is written on the pulseaudio bug page at launchpad.) Maybe if they win out in the game of popularity they are right, eventually. I configured pulseaudio for sound playback on my desktop box with SB Live! and digital audio link. It was a painful experience. After I toggled the option on in the gnome-sound-properties dialog (which talks about ESound), it started PA. Then I forced the default pcm & ctl to pulseaudio through .asoundrc, but got no sound. Applications were playing happily, so I suspected a routing mishap. The problem here was that the default alsa sink is the analog output sink, and there is no toggle to switch digital output on instead. Missing an option like this is probably acceptable for software with 0.x version number, I guess. I'd hazard that pulseaudio guys would see less migration resistance if they didn't configure "front:0" as the output device (which should be explicitly the 2 analog sound channels of a N-channel setup) but used "hw:0" instead, because that would work the same way as ALSA does per default. Yet another nail in this coffin. *sigh*
Ubuntu 8.04 LTS server and desktop releases Posted Apr 23, 2008 17:31 UTC (Wed) by felixrabe (subscriber, #50514) [Link] > Yet another nail in this coffin. *sigh* No, opportunity for change.
Dropping features Posted Apr 23, 2008 6:36 UTC (Wed) by man_ls (subscriber, #15091) [Link] Ubuntu doesn't have a lot of new features that can be dropped. There are a many packages to integrate, and that is a lot of work, but you cannot just drop them. Were you thinking about some features specifically?
Ubuntu 8.04 LTS server and desktop releases Posted Apr 23, 2008 7:46 UTC (Wed) by michaeljt (subscriber, #39183) [Link] I suppose what I would personally love to see would major releases "when they are ready" (à la Debian), but six monthly updates, consisting of the last major release plus all backports which fulfil the right stability criteria. Plus a nice easy and granular way to enable backports on just the software that you really need to be more up-to-date and its dependencies. This last would also improve testing of software in the upcoming release. Plus perhaps even an additional level of backports so that you can use certain software at "developer tree" level if you are particularly interested in it, or badly need a certain new feature.
Ubuntu 8.04 LTS server and desktop releases Posted Apr 24, 2008 17:54 UTC (Thu) by vmole (subscriber, #111) [Link] Uh, so that would be Debian, yes? Debian 3.1 (sarge), released 6/2005, updated 12/2005, 4/2006, 9/2006, 11/2006, 2/2007, 4/2007, 12/2007, 4/2008. Debian 4.0 (etch), released 4/2007, updated 8/2007, 12/2007, 2/2008. Admittedly not a rigid 6 month cycle, but not too bad. Also, you can pull from propesed-updates any time. The www.backports.org site allows specific selection of individual packages. Using "apt-get -t etch-backports install foo" seems reasonably easy and granular to me. Of course, not every single package is backported, but most of the popular stuff is.
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