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And another thing...

And another thing...

Posted Apr 17, 2008 15:11 UTC (Thu) by pr1268 (subscriber, #24648)
In reply to: Red Hat: no desktop products coming by pr1268
Parent article: Red Hat: no desktop products coming

P.S. I'm not particularly a fan of Red Hat's Linux distribution, or Fedora for that matter, but I still admire(d) RH for demonstrating that a software vendor can make a profitable business based on Free/Open Source software. They're giving up on a big market segment by abandoning consumer desktops.


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And another thing...

Posted Apr 17, 2008 15:53 UTC (Thu) by bfields (subscriber, #19510) [Link]

"They're giving up on a big market segment by abandoning consumer desktops."

Or maybe they're approaching it in the way that makes sense for them, by first finding a few
niche markets that allow them to continue to support desktop work.

Not necessarily.

Posted Apr 18, 2008 3:48 UTC (Fri) by jd (guest, #26381) [Link]

Microsoft and, to a degree, Apple essentially own the metaphor of a desktop... but they don't
necessarily own the hearts and minds of home users. Just suppose there's a better metaphor, a
better way to present information to users, a better design that is not based around the
notion of a desktop with objects on it, but is based on some other paradigm entirely.

The desktop model has been useful in the past, but how many people actually use their computer
that way? I have no idea what alternative model you could use, but let's suppose there is one.
What then?

Well, it'd not competing with Microsoft on Microsoft's home turf, it'd not be playing catch-up
with Microsoft's capabilities, it'd not be attempting to replace a very firmly entrenched user
mindset. Rather, it would be seen as something altogether new (which is usually seen as good)
and incidently doing eveything the user wants (which is also good). I imagine that was part of
the idea behind XO, which has done a fairly decent job of coming across as something genuinely
different but is unfortunately still somewhat desktop in look and feel.

Could Linux try winning by entering a different race entirely? Fresco a.k.a Berlin seemed to
be looking at trying a different approach - fragmetable linked windows isn't exactly a desktop
concept. Xrooms also seemed to want to try going a different way. Both have long-since
vanished into history. Clearly, if that is how to win, it isn't going to be easy.

Not necessarily.

Posted Apr 19, 2008 3:16 UTC (Sat) by mmarq (guest, #2332) [Link]

"" Clearly, if that is how to win, it isn't going to be easy. ""

You forgot Fluendo with its Elisa, you forgot miroTV... LinuxMC... i can think of a couple of
business models around those applications only.

OLPC-OX is not a business model not by a half millimeter... its government subsidy... how can
anyone have mature and independent model based on subsidy ?

Yes there is too much fragmentation in Linux desktop yet. It would be nice to have cross the
desk the same look and fell. Common styles, icon sets, colors... whether KDE or Gnome or...
that is, there should be a basic theme model for everyone, yet a good and extensible engine so
that creativity would not be crushed.

But if big players don't bother, they have other politics, its up to the small fish to carry
the all load of progress into mainstream, though they tend to diverge a lot... and i say this
because servers are invisible to the population.    

And people in Open Source are forgetting the most important of all, the source code must have
a meaning for non developers. No way in hell could a Linux "commercial" company sell me a
distro, not even for small server jobs. Lets not be hypocrites, its even true for MSFT, if it
wasn't for the more and more draconian ways of locking their 'soft' from unauthorized use.

I'm not even using one of the parallel to commercial distros (fedora,opensuse...) for that
matter... but every company "commercial" or not, could sell me intelligent ways of using
source code with great advantages...

Pitty people only think of MSFT models... until they get subsidized into oblivion.  

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