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Voting machine integrity through transparencyVoting machine integrity through transparencyPosted Mar 27, 2008 18:29 UTC (Thu) by martinfick (subscriber, #4455)In reply to: Voting machine integrity through transparency by smoogen Parent article: Voting machine integrity through transparency Actually I can really understand that people will go off and buy things that they can't test. Perhaps they trust that they will work when they buy them, but they do test them with regular usage to prove so! I certainly test my washing machine, if it no longer gets my clothes clean, I buy a new one! I tend to notice when my dryer runs much longer, perhaps I stick my hand inside to see if the heating element is coming on (analysis) and then if not, I fix/replace it. If my furnace no longer heats my house (I do own thermometers to actually measure temperature), I higher a plumber to fix or replace it. Why would voting machines be any different? If they have been shown to not work, it might be time to consider putting your hand in the dryer to see if the heating element is coming on, (run a test election,) or call the plumber (send it to Ed Felten) But these aren't even good examples, we are not talking about individual consumers, but rather organizations! So I am not surprised that lots of places bought stuff that was snake-oil. I am more surprised that we are re-evaluating it so quickly :). Quickly? If a ski resort buys an expensive charging mechanism to scan skiers passes at lift lines, they surely would evaluate whether it were properly denying access to unauthorized skiers pretty early in the process, surely before it were used on real customers, not after??? Why would voting be much different? Perhaps even a dry run with both systems (old paper/new electronic) side by side would be tried for a while, no? This would certainly be expected behavior from ordinary people/organizations, not just us free software supporters (we would expect more), wouldn't it? But since businesses actually care about accuracy and govs. don't, perhaps it is surprising that it is being evaluated? ;)
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Voting machine integrity through transparency Posted Mar 27, 2008 19:19 UTC (Thu) by smoogen (subscriber, #97) [Link] Most voting machine purchases were done on individual basis by people were told to get something to comply with Federal Law but without the tools to figure out if they were getting things good or not. I know for the elections in 2006.. the money to buy the required electronic voting items came in 5 weeks before the drop dead date of getting the machines into the state. They were given a customary test of "does the dummy light work. Yes. do they put in the items we laid out, good. Do they collect my 5-10 votes that I put in.. good. Onto the polls." And then they were put into storage after the election because the funding to pay for the testers etc only goes for 2 weeks after the elections. Then they were pulled out for the next elections. To abuse my analogy and your extension of it.. a bit further. If you only used your washer or dryer every 2 years.. would you know that it was taking longer? Voting doesn't happen every week or every day like the ski resort or my washing machine analogy. It is a process that shows up and in most elections are not decided by little margins.. so if you have a 0.1%-5% mis-tally it doesn't matter and might never be caught. It is only a problem to the majority of people when you have to worry about every vote. When the margin of error is greater than the difference in vote tally's. I will also disagree about the government view... having been at the end of a government audit or two. People in government do like accuracy.... The problem is what they are told be accurate about is not what most people consider important until they don't win an election. What do we citizens yell the most about to the government: 1) Keep our taxes low, 2) Make sure that the roads, schools, sewage, phones, electricity, social security checks for grandma, etc are paid. Those things are watched as closely as possible. The IRS and various IG's are actually highly accurate for an organization keeping track of things on nearly 40 year computers. That local pork barrel project your Senator/Congressman/Parliament member brought home? Every cent is going through 2-3 auditors hands to make sure that none of it is mis-spent beyond what Congress/Parliament said it should. Yes there is some corruption going on, but the lack of finding it is limited in the number of people you can hire to keep it going. The number of auditors is at the point of diminishing returns.. you hire more auditors, require more paperwork to be triple checked and the cost of the government goes up. Outsource it to contract agencies shows a lower cost initially.. until people find that someone cheated.. and then you have to hire more auditors to watch the contractor who is now filing more paperwork to keep track of things so their cost goes up.. and you end up in nearly the same boat (sometimes it remains cheaper.. sometimes it gets more expensive.. it all depends on how much you are willing in a 1 billion dollar contract to find 1 million dollars in corruption. Most of the time, the cost is in the multi-millions and if there is no corruption.. everyone feels like you REALLY wasted money. If however there is corruption, then you feel justified or wonder if you found it all and need more auditing.)
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