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A tour of the Microsoft open source lab

A tour of the Microsoft open source lab

Posted Mar 22, 2008 7:02 UTC (Sat) by sramji (subscriber, #51212)
Parent article: A tour of the Microsoft open source lab

You guys are biting the wrong hand here.  

Stephen has been a champion of Linux interoperability, and was a tireless advocate for Samba
testing.  His work directly led to the open discussions we had with the Samba team to get them
the documentation they needed - including IDL files and network packet analyzers - to make
Samba better. Stephen wrote the documentation for smbtorture, the test suite used by the Samba
team.  I encourage you to fact check all of this with Jeremy Allison and Andrew Tridgell.

Beyond this, Stephen is dedicated to evangelizing Linux and teaches Linux+ certification at a
local community college.

I realize you have many frustrations with the company's history, and you're welcome to attack
me or Port 25, but give Stephen a break.  He deserves better than the treatment you're giving
him here.

Sam Ramji
Sr. Director, Open Source and Linux Strategy
Microsoft Corporation
sramji@microsoft.com 


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A tour of the Microsoft open source lab

Posted Mar 22, 2008 9:49 UTC (Sat) by darwish07 (guest, #49520) [Link]

Don't really worry about that. There are two kinds of OSS people. The first are those who are
most of the time busy doing real work and you won't find them in those kind of flames.

The second is just people with _lots_ of free time who like to play the "us and them" game.
a.k.a, slashdot, digg, (some little portion of LWN comments when the article is _non_
technical, LWN can't be blamed for this portion though).

I'm sure Corbet had a good point in his mind to post this article.

A tour of the Microsoft open source lab

Posted Mar 22, 2008 22:27 UTC (Sat) by man_ls (subscriber, #15091) [Link]

What!?! There are few free software developers who can resist the urge of getting into a good flamewar. Renowned Linux hackers such as Ingo Molnar or Al Viro have spent disproportionate amounts of time here on LWN debating on philosophical issues. Even Linus himself is renowned for his flaming abilities, although sadly not on this site.

As to the lot of dilettantes, where I humbly belong, we try to learn and do what we can to spread free software, including small contributions. The frontier between the doer and the thinker is not so clear in our community. But I can guess that most of us sadly don't have lots of free time; I know I don't.

If a blog post on a corporate site sucks then it is fair to criticize it, wherever it comes from. And you know that a site sucks big time when the intro has typos:

This represents an open conversation dedicated Linux, Windows and open source interoperability.
A boss moaning about "what a good boy Steve is" is not likely to get much respect here.

A tour of the Microsoft open source lab

Posted Mar 22, 2008 18:45 UTC (Sat) by simosx (guest, #24338) [Link]

You are a Senior Director of Open Source and Linux Strategy at Microsoft, and you are posting
a comment as a "guest" on LWN.net.

A bit stingy to get an LWN.net Corporate account?

A tour of the Microsoft open source lab

Posted Mar 22, 2008 23:13 UTC (Sat) by dskoll (subscriber, #1630) [Link]

A bit stingy to get an LWN.net Corporate account?

MSFT corporate policy probably prohibits doing anything that would help the Linux community.

A tour of the Microsoft open source lab

Posted Mar 23, 2008 1:03 UTC (Sun) by pr1268 (subscriber, #24648) [Link]

That being said, why does MS even bother to run the "interoperability lab" featured on the Port 25 Web site? Are they trying to help the Linux/FLOSS community, or are they only helping themselves?

A tour of the Microsoft open source lab

Posted Mar 23, 2008 14:42 UTC (Sun) by dskoll (subscriber, #1630) [Link]

What do you think?

A tour of the Microsoft open source lab

Posted Mar 23, 2008 21:07 UTC (Sun) by sbergman27 (subscriber, #10767) [Link]

"""
I realize you have many frustrations with the company's history,
"""

Oh?  All in the past now, is it?  

And Stephen's work led to the discussions with Samba? Are you sure that pending
multi-hundred-billion euro fines from the EU didn't influence the decision just a bit?  At
least we know now that $1.4 billion is the threshold where MS actually notices.  I don't
believe that the treachery is intended, by your company, to be "all in the past".  But I am
hopeful that with the help of ongoing investigations and watchdog efforts by the EU, that the
treachery *will* end here and now, for good.  Finally, someone had the guts and the clout to
take on MS and make some headway.  Save your PR for the EC, because I strongly suspect you're
going to need all you can get.  And it's pretty ineffective on people who have been watching
you so closely all these years and know better.

As an advocate and implementor of Unix in small business, you guys have been stepping on my
toes, unfairly, for coming up on 20 years.  And I'm keeping plenty of popcorn handy for the
duration of this part of the show.

A tour of the Microsoft open source lab

Posted Mar 23, 2008 22:10 UTC (Sun) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

Er, I don't think even the EU would impose multi-hundred-*billion* euro 
fines. ;}

(claiming one pedant point; your point was clear regardless)

A tour of the Microsoft open source lab

Posted Mar 26, 2008 1:13 UTC (Wed) by higuita (guest, #32245) [Link]

i dont know, but things like exchange 2007 OWA being a sh*it in firefox, 
not having support for public folders, not having rich text support, when 
supporting the public folder is just a matter of putting there the damn 
link, rich text support is just a matter of dropping TinyMCE (its LGPL, so 
not any problem using it) or using correct html and javascript instead of 
activex... OR adding support for odt in office (and sharepoint) and drop 
ooxml (or at least use BOTH)... or let activeX die and promote the use of 
correct html and javascript... or adding working support in outlook and 
exchange for other protocols other than MAPI (like webdav, caldav)... or 
add native support for other filesystems (HFS+, ext3) and protocols (ssh, 
nfs)... or  (etc, etc, etc)

only when MS stops putting stupid limitations in it own software and start 
to use standard protocols (without extending it), we people will give you 
some slack

dont get me wrong, your work is important, but for each thing you manage 
to improve, other parts of MS manage to break or limit 3 or 4 other 
things. Apple have done a system that mostly plays well with others, MS 
keep trying to play alone and only listen to other kids with big guys 
(gov's, big companies) force then to.

Competition is good, if your software is good, there is no need to make 
business by enforcing a monopoly and using grey methods!!

so again, you guys are doing a good thing, please dont stop, saddly there 
is still ALOT to be done

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