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Planning for Ubuntu 8.10ish - The Intrepid Ibex

From:  Mark Shuttleworth <mark-GeWIH/nMZzLQT0dZR+AlfA-AT-public.gmane.org>
To:  Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-nLRlyDuq1AZFpShjVBNYrg-AT-public.gmane.org>, ubuntu-devel-announce-nLRlyDuq1AZFpShjVBNYrg-AT-public.gmane.org, ubuntu-motu-nLRlyDuq1AZFpShjVBNYrg-AT-public.gmane.org
Subject:  Planning for Ubuntu 8.10ish - The Intrepid Ibex
Date:  Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:08:04 +0000
Message-ID:  <47BC4254.4030003@ubuntu.com>
Archive-link:  Article, Thread

With Hardy now past feature-freeze it's time to start to plan
features that are being lined up for inclusion after Ubuntu 8.04 LTS
is released in April.

And so I'd like to introduce you to the Intrepid Ibex, the release
which is planned for October 2008, and which is likely to have the
version number 8.10.

During the 8.10 cycle we will be venturing into interesting new
territory, and we'll need the rugged adventurousness of a mountain
goat to navigate tricky terrain. Our desktop offering will once
again be a focal point as we re-engineer the user interaction model
so that Ubuntu works as well on a high-end workstation as it does on
a feisty little subnotebook. We'll also be reaching new peaks of
performance - aiming to make the mobile desktop as productive as
possible.

A particular focus for us will be pervasive internet access, the
ability to tap into bandwidth whenever and wherever you happen to
be. No longer will you need to be a tethered, domesticated animal -
you'll be able to roam (and goats do roam!) the wild lands and
access the web through a variety of wireless technologies. We want
you to be able to move from the office, to the train, and home,
staying connected all the way.

The Intrepid Ibex will take shape at our next Ubuntu Developer
Summit, an open event to which members of the Ubuntu community,
upstream communities, corporate developers and other distributions
are all invited. That summit takes place in beautiful Prague, in the
Czech Republic from 19th - 23rd May 2008. Together we will draw up
detailed blueprints for Ubuntu 8.10. Please join us there to help
define the Intrepid Ibex:

   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Intrepid

Ubuntu 8.10 will be our ninth release, and the fourth anniversary of
the first release - 4.10. In those four years, Ubuntu has grown as a
project, an ethos and a community. The Ubuntu community have worked
to set the benchmark for open, inclusive, and collaborative
development processes. We have open specifications, open governance
structures and a willingness to empower everyone to make their
unique contribution to the success of the project.

This has created an extraordinary diversity in participation; a
depth of talent including packagers, programmers, translators,
writers, testers, advocates, technical support, artists and many
others. Those contributions come as much from the corporate world -
Canonical and other companies that have embraced Ubuntu as a core of
their offering - as from a huge number of individual professionals.
It is this combination of expertise and perspectives that makes it
such a pleasure for me to be part of this project, and I thank all
of you for your continued passion, participation, and energy.

Hardy is our best development cycle yet, delivering on our promise
of reliability and stability for the Heron. We must stay focused on
that goal. To the extent that you have a brilliant idea for the
future, you now have a peg to hang it on - the Intrepid Ibex. When
the Hardy Heron has taken flight we will engage fully with the Ibex.
Give it horns!

Mark



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Planning for Intrepid Ibex

Posted Feb 20, 2008 21:56 UTC (Wed) by alspnost (subscriber, #2763) [Link]

Damn - I've failed again. I was totally gunning for "Ignominious Iguana"...

Planning for Intrepid Ibex

Posted Feb 20, 2008 22:51 UTC (Wed) by ncm (subscriber, #165) [Link]

I gave up when they rejected "hirsute hippo".

Planning for Ubuntu 8.10ish - The Intrepid Ibex

Posted Feb 20, 2008 22:12 UTC (Wed) by MattPerry (guest, #46341) [Link]

I hope they can reduce the memory footprint.  Using 7.10 on a 256MB machine is okay right now
but doesn't leave a lot of RAM for applications.

Planning for Ubuntu 8.10ish - The Intrepid Ibex

Posted Feb 21, 2008 0:10 UTC (Thu) by beoba (guest, #16942) [Link]

Taking the devil's advocate position..

Is something preventing you from installing more RAM?

I mean sure, low memory usage is always a plus, but you're running a fully-featured desktop
distro on what now equates to $10-$15 of memory.

Planning for Ubuntu 8.10ish - The Intrepid Ibex

Posted Feb 21, 2008 0:27 UTC (Thu) by xeta7 (guest, #50658) [Link]

Hmm, maybe then use Puppy Linux that's made for low ram computers?

But for more featureful Linux I have swithed from Ubuntu to Parsix.
Parsix boots and works faster than Ubuntu and I had to do less tweaking to
get it working.

You could try live cd of Puppy and Parsix to see what works better for you.

Planning for Ubuntu 8.10ish - The Intrepid Ibex

Posted Feb 21, 2008 0:56 UTC (Thu) by tjc (subscriber, #137) [Link]

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems

Planning for Ubuntu 8.10ish - The Intrepid Ibex

Posted Feb 21, 2008 6:48 UTC (Thu) by Cato (subscriber, #7643) [Link]

Indeed - Xubuntu is pretty nice out of the box even in 200 MB but remember to back up
~/.config as it can be zapped by XFCE crashes.  Some people run Xubuntu on larger systems for
performance, but it is not as polished as the standard GNOME-based Ubuntu.

Incidentally, I saw an Ubuntu PC in the window of my local computer shop yesterday, for the
first time ever, and it was promoting the Ubuntu (aka free software) philosophy by showing
http://ubuntu.com/ubuntu/philosophy - I think the world is changing...

Planning for Ubuntu 8.10ish - The Intrepid Ibex

Posted Feb 21, 2008 9:56 UTC (Thu) by DG (subscriber, #16978) [Link]

Perhaps this is of interest ? :

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2008-February/0...

(Hardy LiveCD with 192Mb of RAM and Compcache)

Did he say anything?

Posted Feb 20, 2008 23:17 UTC (Wed) by epa (subscriber, #39769) [Link]

Do Mark Shuttleworth's long-winded comments correlate to what ends up being in the next Ubuntu
release?

Did he say anything?

Posted Feb 20, 2008 23:55 UTC (Wed) by proski (subscriber, #104) [Link]

No, he is just kidding.

Did he say anything?

Posted Feb 21, 2008 7:59 UTC (Thu) by ekj (guest, #1524) [Link]

I don't know, but that was my impression too: He doesn't actually -say- anything other than
they'd like networking to work.

Everyone would like networking to work, but he doesn't give any concrete examples of something
that doesn't work today but which he hopes will work in the future.

Also, for those of us that have working networking today, the entire press-release is a
non-statement. It literally doesn't tell me -anything-.

Which is okay, I never trust forward-looking statements anyway, I'm content with waiting until
it arrives and then reading trough "Whats New".

Did he say anything?

Posted Feb 21, 2008 9:03 UTC (Thu) by tajyrink (subscriber, #2750) [Link]

The message is merely to stir up knowledge of the fact that "let us begin planning the Ubuntu
8.10 features". Without the message, people could only start to wonder about new features when
8.04 LTS is released, now there's two months' time to develop ideas and foundation before the
actual development begins.

I think it's a very good thing, because otherwise the first month or so of quite precious 6
months release cycle might be spend only with syncing from Debian and pondering what features
would actually be wanted.

Did he say anything?

Posted Feb 21, 2008 16:07 UTC (Thu) by Frej (subscriber, #4165) [Link]

With regard to networking.....

It's pretty easy to deliver since it's already in fedora 9 as pre releases of network-manager
0.7. Which has support for "more networking" in the form of 3g (CDMA?) pcmcia cards and
similar stuff.

Did he say anything?

Posted Feb 22, 2008 12:46 UTC (Fri) by nlucas (subscriber, #33793) [Link]

<rant>
If that version allows one to finally configure bridging or at least not f*ing around ones
configuration I would be happy.
</rant>

Network-manager is great on laptops, but when you want to do your own static advanced
configuration it forces you to remove the whole thing.

Did he say anything?

Posted Feb 22, 2008 13:25 UTC (Fri) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]

In Debian, at least, Network manager will ignore any interfaces you have configured in
/etc/network/interfaces and there is support for bridging interfaces for that style of network
configuration.

Ubuntu, unless they are morons, should have the same sort of behavior since everything they
use (of this sort of thing) is from Debian.

Did he say anything?

Posted Feb 22, 2008 14:27 UTC (Fri) by nlucas (subscriber, #33793) [Link]

They may not be morons, but believe it's more important to make simple things work for morons
than have features work for "power users". Which is worst, I let others to decide.

On the other hand, if you remove network-manager (just an "apt-get remove" away), the Debian
configuration works on Ubuntu as well.

Did he say anything?

Posted Feb 24, 2008 9:31 UTC (Sun) by muwlgr (guest, #35359) [Link]

Yes, /etc/network/interfaces and GUI frontends like NetworkManager are certainly stomping on
each others. E.g., I boot Kubuntu 7.04 LiveCD (or was that 7.10 ?) on Sony VAIO VGN-TX5MRN,
and to operate wireless interface (eth1) from inside KDE, I have first to run 'ifdown' for it,
as it is listed in /e*/n*/i*s and brought up on the LiveCD startup (naturally, without any
knowledge about SSID, passphrase and so on).

I would wish that all these GUI configuration tools be wrappers/frontends to their
command-line underlyings, which in turn could easily be used without any GUI.

Did he say anything?

Posted Feb 21, 2008 12:55 UTC (Thu) by pointwood (subscriber, #2814) [Link]

As he writes, "The Intrepid Ibex will take shape at our next Ubuntu Developer
Summit". That's where it will be decided what will be worked on for the next release and the
priority for each item.

Strange release versioning system (off-topic)

Posted Feb 21, 2008 0:52 UTC (Thu) by pr1268 (subscriber, #24648) [Link]

What's up with the software versioning system Ubuntu uses? Version 4.10 was the first release? Whatever happened to good ol'-fashioned Ver. 1, 2, 3, ...?

My rant isn't just targeted at Ubuntu; Sun Microsystems' release number system (for both SunOS/Solaris and Java) is equally wacky. And, don't get me started on Slackware skipping from ver. 4 to ver. 7. (Actually, Slackware defends this gap on their FAQ page.)

Strange release versioning system (off-topic)

Posted Feb 21, 2008 0:55 UTC (Thu) by tjc (subscriber, #137) [Link]

year.month

So 4.10 was released October 2004.

Strange release versioning system (off-topic)

Posted Feb 21, 2008 1:04 UTC (Thu) by pr1268 (subscriber, #24648) [Link]

Oh wow! I'm so much more enlightened. In fact, I really like any versioning system based on dates.

Thank you, tjc, for this information. And my apologies to the Ubuntu developers and users for sounding flippant above.

Strange release versioning system (off-topic)

Posted Feb 21, 2008 3:04 UTC (Thu) by louie (subscriber, #3285) [Link]

It would certainly be more clear if they used an '0' in front of the year; you're not the
first to be confused.

Strange release versioning system (off-topic)

Posted Feb 21, 2008 4:20 UTC (Thu) by pr1268 (subscriber, #24648) [Link]

Well, here's a thought (and maybe Ubuntu has planned this already): Come next decade, the releases will have a 2-digit major (i.e. year) release number, as in ver. 12.3 being released in March, 2012.

By then the release name will be somewhere around "Slimey Snake" or "Terrible Tapir" (just kidding!).

Strange release versioning system (off-topic)

Posted Feb 21, 2008 11:39 UTC (Thu) by dgm (subscriber, #49227) [Link]

In fact, if the 6 moth release cycle is kept, Ubuntu 12.4 will have a code name beginning with
the letter "P"... And we will have a problem after 17.4 (Zooming Zebra) is out!

Strange release versioning system (off-topic)

Posted Feb 21, 2008 13:06 UTC (Thu) by Los__D (subscriber, #15263) [Link]

Not at all, the 17.10 [ing [eater will be the best release ever! ;)

Planning for Ubuntu 8.10ish - The Intrepid Ibex

Posted Feb 21, 2008 20:05 UTC (Thu) by pheldens (guest, #19366) [Link]

2008 the year non free linux bloated the desktop

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