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humor detectors b0rkedhumor detectors b0rkedPosted Feb 9, 2008 16:40 UTC (Sat) by eean (guest, #50420)In reply to: Interview: Mark "Markey" Kretschmann (Not the Gentoo Weekly News) by tjc Parent article: Interview: Mark "Markey" Kretschmann (Not the Gentoo Weekly News)
I'm amazed by all the comments here. Apparently Mark missed that calling a language the "antichrist" has become a serious way to talk about programming languages. You guys realize that the term Antichrist refers to an embodiment of pure evil? The being in Christian mythology that will bring about the end of the world? Mark was obviously exaggerating a bit. To some extent its the LWN's editors wanting to stir something up for picking this part of the interview (is a C++ developer's opinion on Ruby vs. Python that pivotal?), but it's everyone elses fault for not reading it in the full laid-back context.
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humor detectors b0rked Posted Feb 9, 2008 19:40 UTC (Sat) by and (subscriber, #2883) [Link] > You guys realize that the term Antichrist refers to an embodiment of > pure evil? Only for christians, and of these probably mainly for those of the american variety. I see this statement in contexts like this more as an winking way of expressing one's affiliation.
humor detectors b0rked Posted Feb 11, 2008 7:55 UTC (Mon) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link] I donno. I would figure that almost all Christians, or those who belong to more or less conventional variations on the faith, believe that Satan is pretty much evil. As evil as evil gets. It's certainly a interesting term. Something that has more depth to it then just 'the embodiment of all evil'. Antichrist refers to the fact (take it the bible context, not saying that you or anybody else assumes it's fact) that the 'Antichrist' is not 'opposite of Christ' or anything like that. It's that he wants you to think that he is your savior, that he _is_ Jesus. The Antichrist is a trick to make you think that he is there to save you from the bad things that happen in the world. So in the book of revelations the Antichrist comes shining down from heaven into Jerusalem. He comes all floating down, all shining with lights and all that sort of thing. He performs miracles, stops armed conflict, heals the sick, feeds the poor, etc etc. All in a fairly supernatural (magical-seeming) way. Pretty much what everybody expects Jesus or $favorite-deity-thingy to do in the end times. Since most of the world is ignorant of all of this because they don't know the bible or follow whats going on then they all fall in line behind this false savior. Hence, the Antichrist. Tricking people into following him rather then the true Christ. So in a sense what is he actually saying, in a obviously tongue-in-cheek manner, (and whether he realizes it or not) is that Python programming language is in fact a false idol.. A deception perpetuated on the Linux-going public. That Python promises to be what Ruby is, and is able to perform most of the tasks that people think that a OO language should be able to do. However the fact (according to Mark "Markey" Kretschmann) is that Python is deceiving people, turning them away from the one true Ruby. The Ruby that will ultimately save them and provide them the river of knowledge that will lead programmers out of suffering ignorance and into a thousand years of fairly productive learning and general success. Darn that old Antiruby, Python.
humor detectors b0rked Posted Feb 11, 2008 14:35 UTC (Mon) by smitty_one_each (subscriber, #28989) [Link] In a word: 'hyperbole'. You can be a famous hacker, and you can call an operating system "utter crap", but the real metric is money, irrespective of any architectural purity arguments you'd want to make. Programming language tensions are the same argument in miniature. Continuing the oddly apropos religious thread, the Python/Ruby tension boils down to religious denomination X picking on denomination Y about sacrement Z. Note that, by the time you're on a JVM, CLR, or parrot, you're really just thumb-wrestling over choice of syntactic sugar at the parser level. Aren't Real Programmers supposed to see past the tool-fetishism and focus on the results, anyway?
picking part of the interview Posted Feb 12, 2008 18:47 UTC (Tue) by rfunk (subscriber, #4054) [Link] I read the interview, and it was mostly content-free unless you care about beer preferences. This was the most interesting part of it.
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