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Posted Feb 7, 2008 16:16 UTC (Thu) by bronson (subscriber, #4806)
In reply to: boosting revenue with coupons? by Duncan
Parent article: Ten-year timeline part 4: the end and the beginning

I applaud you Duncan for taking this stand.  I hope our editor is aware.

Gosh, the site code has been promised since at least 2002...  That's some mighty vapor.

19 Nov 2002: http://web.archive.org/web/20021119134021/http://lwn.net/...
All versions: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://lwn.net/op/FAQ.lwn

It sounds like Jon needs a deadline.  :)  Come June 2008, if the LWN code isn't released,
guess I'll cancel my subscription.  And, as soon as code is available, I shall re-susbscribe
with relief.

Jon, don't worry about supporting it...  An anonymous code drop is fine; support can grow
organically if desired, or can remain nonexistant if not.  I agree that potential security
holes need to be plugged first!  Hopefully the white hats works faster than the black hats.
:)


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Posted Feb 9, 2008 14:07 UTC (Sat) by Duncan (guest, #6647) [Link]

Jon's aware, as he wrote me a nice note after I inquired as to the state 
of the code release as my subscription was about to expire.  He had in 
fact made some progress toward that end not long before, I forget the 
details, but he explained  (and I hope I'm not taking liberties with the 
paraphrase) that security audits and the like cost money, and the code had 
been back-burnered as LWN had had to worry about just staying alive, 
implementing the subscription thing, etc.  He also wanted to be able to 
support it and the like, which is nice, but as with you, my feeling is get 
the code out there and if there's interest, support from somewhere will 
come.  If not, well, at least the code is out there for anyone interested, 
something that can't be said about it now.  It's also worth noting that 
should LWN go under ($DEITY forbid!), if the code's already out there, it 
then has a chance to live on.  If it's not out there, well, it never had 
the chance.  Think about all those failed companies over the years and 
what might be if they'd all made their source public, so at least others 
could build on it, or learn about the failed efforts before duplicating 
them.  That's one of the bonuses of FLOSS that LWN would currently be on 
the wrong side of, if it did go under.

I've absolutely no doubt that Jon/LWN does intend to release it, but like 
all those things we all have stacked up waiting on "round tuits", many 
wait years, and others never happen.  That's certainly understandable on a 
human level, but understanding it doesn't get people closer to having the 
actual code available to work with, and well... when ATI and all the 
others have been condemned all these years, and some of them have turned 
over a new leaf and are cooperating with their respective area FLOSS 
developers now, but LWN, part of the FLOSS community, continues to 
promise... it's just embarrassing!

Anyway, I had asked if there was somewhere I could send donations 
earmarked specifically for audit or whatever else it took to open the 
code, but that really didn't get anywhere, and with LWN having the CC 
processing trouble with donations history it does, and what might be only 
a single person's small donation, I understand the reluctance.  
Realistically, my donation alone would be hardly more than symbolic in any 
case.  If people knew my budget... but I still like to do what I can.  
Even if it took writing an old fashioned check instead of a CC 
transaction, I'd do it if there was a place to send it, symbolic tho the 
act in itself might be.

I should also mention that I'm NOT a web developer or anything, either, so 
don't anticipate ever having a personal use for the code, except perhaps 
as a user of any sites other than LWN that adopt it.  No, for me, it's the 
principle of the thing.  I can't do a check or CC transaction with LWN 
under the current circumstances any more than I could to MS, for what 
amounts to the same reasons.

Anyway, if you do a deadline thing, be prepared to live without a 
subscription for awhile, as I have had to do.  The feeling is a bit weird, 
as besides reading late, while one can still post on the weekly edition 
and special features, it's a week late, and most of the action has already 
happened.  One ends up feeling much like those "observers without a vote" 
in various forums must feel much of the time, especially if they are 
additionally restricted to not seeing the work in progress, only the done 
deal.  Yes, the subscription puts one much more in the "know" AND "do", as 
one can watch (and affect) events as the actually unfold instead of after 
the fact (and an LWN subscription affords that opportunity, even for those 
who don't happen to have coding skills and would otherwise be just another 
in the thousands or millions of users).  I'd absolutely have a 
subscription if I could, and I really do miss it, but there comes a point 
when one simply cannot act out of line with one's own principles, no 
matter how convenient it might be, and how much one otherwise wishes to 
contribute to and participate in the (nominal) message, and I simply 
reached that point.

Anyway, it might be worth writing a simple note to Jon mentioning your 
intent, before both you and he are up against a deadline that there's 
simply no way to meet.  Maybe the two of us will get lucky and 
something /will/ happen. =8^)

Duncan

Source code release

Posted Feb 9, 2008 16:11 UTC (Sat) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link]

If the value of LWN is in a release of a bunch of special-purpose site code rather than in what we write, then perhaps you are indeed better off canceling your subscription.

It's still on the list. I just have never been able to justify spending a week or three on that rather than on trying to keep LWN alive.

One idea that crossed my mind too late last year was to see if we could get a summer of code grant for somebody to do that work. This year I plan to be a bit more on top of things, but can promise nothing.

Source code release

Posted Feb 9, 2008 20:10 UTC (Sat) by bronson (subscriber, #4806) [Link]

The value in LWN is everywhere.  It's in the articles, it's in the comments, it's in editorial
decisions, its in the editors' presence at conferences, and yes, I think it's in the code too.
If it weren't in the code, wouldn't LWN have switched to Drupal or $CMS by now?

My prediction: the 2010 upsurge in Linux adoption will bring 5X as many subscribers, our
editor will be working even harder just trying to keep the servers up and his readers
placated, he will tire quickly when the Yahoogle browser crushes Linux whole in 2015, and he
will retire to a large house in Aspen a rich rich man.  And the LWN code will still not be
released.  :)

Jon, I kind of hope you never find convenient week or three to polish the code the way you
want.  May you always have more meaningful things to work on.  Still you might do what Linus
did: quietly drop it on an FTP server somewhere, unpolished and full of warts.  Or, at least
reword the FAQ to reflect current realities?

Thanks for LWN, btw.  It's the single most fascinating news site on the internet.

Source code audit?

Posted Feb 28, 2008 23:48 UTC (Thu) by Max.Hyre (subscriber, #1054) [Link]

Should you consider signing on a few volunteers to go through the code, checking for vulnerabilities? I'm willing, have a couple decades of programming experience, and I bet I'm not alone. It would be worth it to me simply to get a few more subscriptions for LWN. :-/

Of course it couldn't be allowed to add to your workload or your worry level.

As for myself, I will take a back seat to no one¹ as a believer in Free Software, and can't see how it conflicts with being a subscriber. Besides, the code isn't being distributed, so even if it were GPLv2, there'd be no breach of license.


¹Well, there is RMS. :-)

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