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Kubuntu LTS and KDE4Kubuntu LTS and KDE4Posted Dec 28, 2007 23:26 UTC (Fri) by jeleinweber (subscriber, #8326)Parent article: Kubuntu LTS and KDE4
Does it really matter? Desktop users upgrade every 6 months anyway, so those Kubuntu 8.04 and 8.10 fans are in good shape, LTS or not. The main LTS users are on the server side, and they probably don't care what the GUI is! Most of my servers only boot to text consoles.
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Kubuntu LTS and KDE4 Posted Dec 28, 2007 23:39 UTC (Fri) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link] Desktop users upgrade every 6 months anyway Home desktop users upgrade every 6 months, you mean. My desktop at work is still 6.06 - because it's LTS and our admins will not support anything else. Thus I was pretty sad when Skype dropped support for 6.06. Note: I'll not have a chance to upgrade for LTS Kubuntu 8.04 release for two years - because we don't have "Ubuntu 6.06" vs "Kubuntu 6.06" choice here. It's "Ubuntu 6.06 plus optionally KDE and/or XFCE from *ubuntu 6.06". Thus the only sane way to handle this is to introduce intermediate "8.0x" LTS Kubuntu respin which will have the same base packages as Ubuntu "8.04" but KDE 4.0 instead of 3.5...
Kubuntu LTS and KDE4 Posted Dec 29, 2007 0:29 UTC (Sat) by mattdm (subscriber, #18) [Link] Geeky home desktop users upgrade every six months, you mean. Everyone else stays with what they've got until they get a new computer.
Kubuntu LTS and KDE4 Posted Dec 29, 2007 13:07 UTC (Sat) by man_ls (subscriber, #15091) [Link] Or until their geeky son comes along and messes everything up, like my mother.
Kubuntu LTS and KDE4 Posted Dec 30, 2007 21:42 UTC (Sun) by epa (subscriber, #39769) [Link] Doesn't Ubuntu have some thingy that prompts you to upgrade when the new release is out?
Kubuntu LTS and KDE4 Posted Dec 31, 2007 14:04 UTC (Mon) by Cato (subscriber, #7643) [Link] Sort of - the Update Manager in Ubuntu/Xubuntu tells you there is a new release available.
Kubuntu LTS and KDE4 Posted Dec 29, 2007 7:59 UTC (Sat) by a_hippie (guest, #34) [Link] >Does it really matter? Desktop users upgrade every 6 months anyway, so those Kubuntu 8.04 and >8.10 fans are in good shape, LTS or not. The main LTS users are on the server side, and they >probably don't care what the GUI is! Most of my servers only boot to text consoles. Yikes. Nope. I put dapper on this (then brand new) laptop and it's been dapper all the time. Why muck up what works? I will upgrade (clean install) once the next LTS comes along. Then I'll probably leave it alone too! Life's too short to boink up the machine. regards
Kubuntu LTS and KDE4 Posted Dec 29, 2007 12:52 UTC (Sat) by jschrod (subscriber, #1646) [Link] I'm currently thinking about switching our desktops from SUSE to Kubuntu. That no LTS is planned is a disappointment, it was a major factor in the selection of the distribution. Since we use much more KDE apps than GNOME apps, Ubuntu LTS has not been the 1st choice; now I have to evaluate if Ubuntu LTS + KDE packages might be the way to go. Updating my desktop every 6 months is a non-productive hassle -- I had fun in installing software when I was 20. Now, 26 years later, I did enough of that and I would like to commit my Copious Spare Time to more productive tasks like developing Open Source software. I prefer to leave my desktop in a stable state for 2-3 years, just with security updates, and then do the upgrade. (In fact, usually by buying a new computer and installing the new distro there.) Those few packages that I need more current for development reasons, I need development trees anyhow and compile them myself. This approach has not been possible with openSUSE, SUSE Desktop had not enough packages, and it seems as if it won't be possible with Kubuntu either. Too sad. Joachim
Kubuntu LTS and KDE4 Posted Dec 29, 2007 16:32 UTC (Sat) by jmm (subscriber, #34596) [Link] Just use Debian, then. It provides security support for about three years and covers a lot more packages than Ubuntu or any other distribution.
Kubuntu LTS and KDE4 Posted Dec 29, 2007 16:50 UTC (Sat) by jschrod (subscriber, #1646) [Link] We already use Debian, on our servers. But the out-of-the-box configuration of desktop parts (especially, for our laptops, e.g. suspend and hibernate) is better in Kubuntu and SUSE than it is on Debian. As I would like to use that, I started to investigate in the feasibility of Kubuntu LTS. Actually, one advantage of Kubuntu was that I can continue to use my normal apt-based processes for Kubuntu, whereas I would have to switch to smart with newer SUSE versions. (I still run the early SUSE 10.x releases, where apt works like a charm, too.) Btw, I'm speaking about 5 desktops and 3 laptops. It's not a big installation, but still enough that I'm not particularly fond of changes that need hand-holding or where I need to investigate why some application suddenly stops working or disappears in a new release.
Kubuntu LTS and KDE4 Posted Dec 30, 2007 7:35 UTC (Sun) by Cato (subscriber, #7643) [Link] There are many Ubuntu variants around, including Linux Mint KDE Edition (http://www.seopher.com/articles/review_of_linux_mint_bian...) - so if you must upgrade soon, why not use a (K)ubuntu variant until Kubuntu catches up with a stable KDE 4 version? It would be simpler and less hassle to just wait for an LTS version of Kubuntu. Since Kubuntu 6.06 LTS is still supported on the desktop until June 2009, I don't think there's any rush to upgrade.
Kubuntu LTS and KDE4 Posted Jan 1, 2008 14:23 UTC (Tue) by roblucid (subscriber, #48964) [Link] @jschrod "Actually, one advantage of Kubuntu was that I can continue to use my normal apt-based processes for Kubuntu, whereas I would have to switch to smart with newer SUSE versions. (I still run the early SUSE 10.x releases, where apt works like a charm, too.)" Actually OS-10.3 is worth a look, zypper improves the updating speed and flexibility with similar interface as apt for scripts. Your development stuff could pickup Build service repositaries, or be in such a repositary. You wouldn't need apt or SMART, but use the default distro tools. As it's possible to run both KDE3 & KDE4 on same OS10.3 system, if you're developing Desktop code, it's hard to see why you wouldn't have enough flexibility on packages, when you're compiling them and can choose their installation directory.
Kubuntu LTS and KDE4 Posted Jan 3, 2008 12:52 UTC (Thu) by jschrod (subscriber, #1646) [Link] Even in 10.3, zypper still has no dependency management that is on par with apt. I saw this recently at a customer where we upgraded from 10.2 to 10.3 and zypper asked lots of questions about conflict resolves -- with very annoying several-minute lapses inbetween -- where apt would have simply proposed to do the Right Thing(tm) in one step. In any case, either zypper or smart would need that I put work into the update process which is working now. I would have to investigate how one creates a cron job in the night that downloads all available updates and sends a notification email (interactive update notifiers in desktop panels are not acceptable -- my staff will have no need for that, updates are done by updates), i.e., the functionality of apticron. (And please don't even start to recommend automatic updates for desktops where work is done every day.) Forthermore, how one blocks updates of specific packages (e.g., kernel, glibc, X server) while installing the rest automatically in one sweep, i.e. without the need to turn off their installation in a GUI interactively for each update anew. (The equivalent to aptitude hold, respectively hold-configurations in apt4rpm.) Last, but not least, using a shared download cache for all my systems must be configured -- we have a metered Internet connection. I'm rather sure that this can all be done -- but it is probably several hours work until I have a new setup that just does the same thing as the apt-based setup that I have already, without any conceivable advantage in return for this work. And because that's not the only area with changes but no improvements, I think about moving from SUSE to another distribution. Btw, I'm a paying customer since SUSE 5.1 with a running subscription, I didn't just download OS, after all I wanted to support these folks. Thus, it's not just a short fling with SUSE, I use them since many years and really think they messed up with the 10.x series.
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