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Firefox 3 beta 2 Arrives with More Speed and Fewer Bugs (Wired)
Wired reviews the second Firefox3 beta. "Linux users will be happy to note that beta 2 brings in the native GTK theme for Firefoxs default icons, buttons, and menu styles. Firefox finally looks like every other Gnome application and if the Linux platform is any indication, the final release of Firefox 3 will look perfectly native regardless of what OS you're using."
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Firefox 3 beta 2 Arrives with More Speed and Fewer Bugs (Wired) Posted Dec 19, 2007 21:48 UTC (Wed) by gsbarbieri (subscriber, #10537) [Link] "Firefox 3 will look perfectly native regardless of what OS you're using" Just if GTK is now an OS, because I use Qt and it looks like an alien. :-/
Firefox 3 beta 2 Arrives with More Speed and Fewer Bugs (Wired) Posted Dec 19, 2007 21:59 UTC (Wed) by niner (subscriber, #26151) [Link] That's the reason why I switched to konqueror: it integrates perfectly with my desktop. Makes work just so much nicer.
Firefox 3 beta 2 Arrives with More Speed and Fewer Bugs (Wired) Posted Dec 19, 2007 22:08 UTC (Wed) by jengelh (subscriber, #33263) [Link] What probably will always be foreign if firefox and gnome apps in general continues as it does now... the buttons of modal dialog boxes are in the wrong order. Take inkscape, notepad, or whatever. Write/draw something, then try to exit the program. Compare behavior. inkscape: "Save changes...?" [Close without saving], [Cancel], [Save]. IOW: [No], [Cancel], [Yes] notepad: "Save changes...?" [Yes], [No], [Cancel]
Button ordering Posted Dec 20, 2007 11:17 UTC (Thu) by midg3t (guest, #30998) [Link] All GTK+ apps are written to have the affirmative action in the bottom right corner of the window. It's consistent across applications so it's not wrong. They're just two different approaches.
Button ordering Posted Dec 21, 2007 4:20 UTC (Fri) by xorbe (subscriber, #3165) [Link] I hate when one is using the keyboard, and tab goes to Cancel before Okay. How stupid is that...
Button ordering Posted Dec 21, 2007 10:46 UTC (Fri) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link] Well you can go shift-tab if that makes you happier. That way 'ok' comes up first. On a side note Firefox is not Gnome. Epiphany is Gnome and it integrates very well into Gnome. Firefox is currently a alien-ish irregardless of what desktop environment your using. Hopefully F3 can get integrated as well as Konqueror or Epiphany does.
Firefox 3 beta 2 Arrives with More Speed and Fewer Bugs (Wired) Posted Dec 19, 2007 23:17 UTC (Wed) by sbishop (guest, #33061) [Link] This is starting to get off-topic, I suppose, but I am looking forward to KHTML/Webkit-powered browsers becoming relevant with regards to market share. I think that would be a boon, security-wise.
Firefox 3 beta 2 Arrives with More Speed and Fewer Bugs (Wired) Posted Dec 20, 2007 19:26 UTC (Thu) by lysse (guest, #3190) [Link] Is there one in a decent state of development that doesn't invoke the entire weight of KDE on startup (and doesn't periodically forget what to do with HTML files, or that when the user clicks on a link they prefer it to open)?
Firefox 3 beta 2 Arrives with More Speed and Fewer Bugs (Wired) Posted Dec 20, 2007 19:44 UTC (Thu) by sbishop (guest, #33061) [Link] I believe that Safari fits your description, though I'm sure that you meant one that runs on Linux, correct? ;)
Firefox 3 beta 2 Arrives with More Speed and Fewer Bugs (Wired) Posted Dec 21, 2007 19:30 UTC (Fri) by lysse (guest, #3190) [Link] I'd settle for one that ran on NetBSD. :P
Firefox 3 beta 2 Arrives with More Speed and Fewer Bugs (Wired) Posted Dec 21, 2007 19:49 UTC (Fri) by lysse (guest, #3190) [Link] Of course, just after posting that comment I remembered Syllable (née AtheOS), whose browser now uses WebKit.
Firefox 3 beta 2 Arrives with More Speed and Fewer Bugs (Wired) Posted Dec 21, 2007 10:54 UTC (Fri) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link] With Epiphany you can choose between Gecko and Webkit rendering methods. There is a epiphany-webkit package under Debian Unstable/Testing.
Firefox 3 beta 2 Arrives with More Speed and Fewer Bugs (Wired) Posted Dec 21, 2007 11:53 UTC (Fri) by lysse (guest, #3190) [Link] Unfortunately, epiphany invokes the entire weight of GNOME instead. Which might be lighter, but installing Dropline killed my Slackware. :( (Actually, it was *un*installing that did that.) Is there any way of installing epiphany without GNOME? I guess I'm holding a candle for midori at this point...
Firefox 3 beta 2 Arrives with More Speed and Fewer Bugs (Wired) Posted Dec 22, 2007 13:40 UTC (Sat) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link] Nope. Epiphany is all about Gnome. Gnome can be lightweight, but you have to only use gnome stuff. Abiword, Gnumeric, Epiphany, Tracker, etc etc. And avoid most applets and any of the mono stuff. Due to the agressive use of shared libs for Gnome apps you get the biggest penalty, memory-wise, from just having the main parts running. Everything else uses relatively little memory. At least this is how it's been in my experiance. And more modern versions of Gnome use less resources then older versions of Gnome. Efforts to make Gnome environment suitable for things like Maemo or OpenMoko have helped and things like PowerTOP and Project Ridly have reduced dependancies and have slimmed down other stuff and moved it to GTK. (producing GTK webkit as a alternative to Gecko and the older GTKhtml stuff is part of this effort) It's when you throw things on top of Gnome, like most distros do, which will bulk up a gnome-based desktop. Beagle, Firefox, OpenOffice.org, Thunderbird, etc etc. Then that's when you get monsters that run poor on 512megs of ram. For example Nautilus is a pretty bulky program. Taking a look at Gnome's system monitor I am able to see Virtual Memory used vs Resident vs Shared etc etc. Also I can look at memory maps, but I don't realy understand what all that stuff means. Nautilus has claimed 75 megs or so of VM, but in actuality it's only realy using 19 megs of that. Out of that 19 megs about 14 is shared with other applications. So if I was to get rid of Nautilus I'd only save 6 megs of ram. I've been playing Nexuiz a bit lately and I am using a shared memory card (Intel X3100) so it bumps up the memory usage because of X. I'm using a fairly eye-candy heavy Gnome setup right now and the total ram usage, with applications that have been open for a long time, is about 400-410 megs of ram out of 2gigs. I don't think it should have much problems running with just 256 megs of ram, as long as I am not doing everything all at once. A clever way to see how you're paticular setup to act under low memory conditions is to boot up with the mem=256M flag. That way the kernel will limit itself to only using the amount of RAM you've specified. (which I am going to do shortly)
Firefox 3 beta 2 Arrives with More Speed and Fewer Bugs (Wired) Posted Dec 20, 2007 1:16 UTC (Thu) by cortana (subscriber, #24596) [Link] Hehe, and it's the reason I switch to Epiphany. :)
Firefox 3 beta 2 Arrives with More Speed and Fewer Bugs (Wired) Posted Dec 20, 2007 6:47 UTC (Thu) by zlynx (subscriber, #2285) [Link] I am pretty sure there is a GTK theme that mimics the Qt theme.
Firefox 3 beta 2 Arrives with More Speed and Fewer Bugs (Wired) Posted Dec 20, 2007 10:01 UTC (Thu) by niner (subscriber, #26151) [Link] Themes are not nearly everything. kioslaves are much more important. As well as using the wallet for passwords instead of having it's own password manager which I have to care about. Or simply using the same settings as my desktop. So there are a lot of good reasons, even before taking into account, that konqueror is a very nice and fast webbrowser.
Firefox 3 beta 2 Arrives with More Speed and Fewer Bugs (Wired) Posted Dec 20, 2007 10:41 UTC (Thu) by quintesse (subscriber, #14569) [Link] And don't forget something as basic as the file request dialogs! For that reason alone I would already like a KDE-fied version of Firefox!
Firefox 3 beta 2 Arrives with More Speed and Fewer Bugs (Wired) Posted Dec 20, 2007 12:53 UTC (Thu) by leomilano (guest, #32220) [Link] Good point. Back in the day Konqueror had an option to choose the engine, between mozilla and khtml. I would love to see this come back. Mozilla has been more reliable as a web-browser to me, and Konqueror the best generic-browser ever (due to the ioslaves mostly, gotta love fish:/ ing from my eeepc to my home kubuntu desktop)
Firefox 3 beta 2 Arrives with More Speed and Fewer Bugs (Wired) Posted Dec 21, 2007 11:00 UTC (Fri) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link] I use SSHFS for my remote-ssh-file-system needs. Works with all applications because it's implimented at the FUSE-file system level rather then in application libraries. Much better design then Kioslaves or Gnome-VFS, IMHO. Faster, more reliable, more transparent, etc etc. Sshfs makes OpenSSH a faster file server transport then NFS up to 100Mb/s networks. Plus it does a good job of integrating kerberos and other sorts of authentication protocols. Hopefully Gnome-VFS2 and Kioslaves with KDE4 will have FUSE compatability methods so that applications not programmed for KDE or Gnome can also take advantage of that sort of thing. Like have a library level way to access remote files and also have a ~/.kde/fuse/fish/servername way to access those files.
Firefox 3 beta 2 Arrives with More Speed and Fewer Bugs (Wired) Posted Dec 22, 2007 0:18 UTC (Sat) by jospoortvliet (subscriber, #33164) [Link] there has been a KIO-fuse thing for ages, but it isn't used a lot. And if you open a remote location with konqi and open a file there with Gimp, the KIOslaves will download it to a temporary location, and re-upload the file if you changed it. Almost transparent. I agree FUSE would be the way forward, but for now, KIO does a great job... And its design allows to use eg GVFS2 or another backend, too.
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