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A GPL compliance case against IliadA GPL compliance case against IliadPosted Nov 19, 2007 21:24 UTC (Mon) by sylware (guest, #35259)Parent article: A GPL compliance case against Iliad
Strange, Iliad is really not the right target. Orange or neuf (the 2 other big IAPs) would have been better "first" targets since, as far as I perceive it, they are not as free software friendly than Iliad. Actually it even looks fishy. I heard some guys from neuf would be involved in this prosecution. Heard too that the release of their neuf box source code would be fake: you would not be able to have a fully opened source neuf box providing net/tv/music/movies access. Moreover, the prosecutor is one of the main ip tables coders, and that's a big message: in France, high speed internet connections are achieved through IAPs boxes, then they could become a perfect way to industrialize internet control without the loss of performance "on authorized internet protocols only". For instance a bittorrent iptable filter remotely and silently enabled on your box is a piece of cake... and we can even imagine worst case scenarios (a cam, a microphone etc...). The middle-ground to allow the box to enter the private home of people and being a mandatory piece of equipment to connect the net seems unbalanced. Indeed, it would be saner to have a fully opened box. Another issue arise: rights of TV/Music/Movies distributed through the box seems to be enforced by code cloaking. Probably user level proprietary software. Ok, everybody knows that's stupid because it won't forbid some people to get the content some other ways and distribute it on the net. And we reach the classic conspiracy theory that Al Capone company would be indirectly behind all that since Iliad is really the last of the 3 big IAPs to prosecute... too "free software friendly" for the Al Capone company...
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A GPL compliance case against Iliad Posted Nov 20, 2007 12:16 UTC (Tue) by colinleroy (guest, #40525) [Link] Actually, that is inexact. Neuf Telecom has this site: http://www.efixo.com/neufbox4/freesoftware/ Orange ships a box named Livebox, which are manufactured by either Inventel or Sagem. Inventel went down, but provided sources: http://web.archive.org/web/20070110074434rn_1/www.invente... the Sagem Liveboxes run VxWorks, IIRC (but I'm not sure). Iliad may also be the best target as they're running free.fr, which is the biggest french IAP. Xavier Antoviaque, the "guy from neuf involved in this prosecution", isn't from Neuf in fact: http://freebox.flouzo.fr/wiki/FAQ (last question, saying approximately "He isn't employed by Neuf. He has, however, a role in the Easyneuf.org community, but is independant in this activity").
A GPL compliance case against Iliad Posted Nov 20, 2007 15:52 UTC (Tue) by sylware (guest, #35259) [Link] >Actually, that is inexact. Neuf Telecom has this site: >http://www.efixo.com/neufbox4/freesoftware/ http://www.neufbox4.org On this site it seems that, the neufbox is hacked a lot, even improved. But it's recent, then I would wait to actually see a neuf box open sourced and working. >Orange ships a box named Livebox, which are manufactured by either >Inventel or Sagem. Inventel >went down, but provided sources: >http://web.archive.org/web/20070110074434rn_1/www.invente... Old... I'm sure they got many updates on the box... I got http://www.liveboxlab.com/html/modules/wiwimod/ but I was not able to get my hands on source code... and this site is mainly for creating software for the liveboxes... On their forums, people start to complain that there is no source code to hack their box. >Iliad may also be the best target as they're running free.fr, which is the >biggest french IAP. Hu? It's the second(one brand) or third(all sub-IAPs) behind Orange. Then, the logic would be to prosecute first Orange. >Xavier Antoviaque, the "guy from neuf involved in this prosecution", isn't >from Neuf in fact: >http://freebox.flouzo.fr/wiki/FAQ (last question, saying approximately "He >isn't employed by >Neuf. He has, however, a role in the Easyneuf.org community, but is >independant in this >activity"). Employed or not, it's a matter of belonging to a specific collective. For instance Miguel De Icaza belongs to the "Al Capone company" collective and is not employed by that company. SCO become a part of that collective before dying (ready to make sacrifice). Things can be sneaky, vicious and ugly in this field. In all this, we are about to miss the setup boxes(TV/Movies) case... indeed, most of the time, those boxes collaborate closely with the "modem" box for QoS and probably more. And none of IAPs are providing sources for those setup boxes. But that box type is quite less critical for internet freedom.
A GPL compliance case against Iliad Posted Nov 24, 2007 9:06 UTC (Sat) by Cato (subscriber, #7643) [Link] A GPL violation is a GPL violation - the 'right targets' are those who are breaking the GPL, not those who are considered the bad guys for some other reason...
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