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Kubuntu Gutsy (Canllaith.org)
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Kubuntu Gutsy (Canllaith.org)
Posted Nov 6, 2007 22:43 UTC (Tue) by nhasan (subscriber, #1699) [Link]
"so consider these not my first impressions but my opinion formed over 2 solid weeks of using Kubuntu as my main operating system at work." Not much to show for "solid 2 weeks" of usage. I can't decide if its just a blog entry or a proper review of Gutsy.
Kubuntu Gutsy (Canllaith.org)
Posted Nov 6, 2007 23:51 UTC (Tue) by sbdep (subscriber, #13282) [Link]
From the top of the article now...** Edit: It seems that this article got picked up by some news sources before I’d actually finished writing it. Lessons learned? Never have the draft searchable by google I guess! **
Kubuntu Gutsy (Canllaith.org)
Posted Nov 7, 2007 1:17 UTC (Wed) by ris (editor, #5) [Link]
That was there when I found it. Must have been some other "news sources".
Kubuntu Gutsy (Canllaith.org)
Posted Nov 10, 2007 7:39 UTC (Sat) by rsidd (subscriber, #2582) [Link]
That was there when I found it.
So if you knew it was an unfinished draft, why did you link to it? (Even if Slashdot does it all the time.)
Kubuntu Gutsy (Canllaith.org)
Posted Nov 10, 2007 16:39 UTC (Sat) by ris (editor, #5) [Link]
It was not an unfinished draft when I found it. It did have a note saying that it was an unfinished draft when some other (unspecified) news site found it. It had been finished by the time I posted a link to it.
Kubuntu Gutsy (Canllaith.org)
Posted Nov 7, 2007 13:21 UTC (Wed) by pointwood (subscriber, #2814) [Link]
1. Do you see review mentioned anywhere? 2. Does it matter?
Kubuntu Gutsy (Canllaith.org)
Posted Nov 7, 2007 8:51 UTC (Wed) by Richard_J_Neill (subscriber, #23093) [Link]
What I don't understand is why Kubuntu tries to be a distribution, rather than a set of KDE-packages for Ubuntu. Why do so much duplicate work, including trying to make system-configuration packages just for KDE? Why not go the whole hog: Ooo-buntu and Abi-buntu, Dillobuntu vs Konquibuntu and W3mtu, .... After all, unless one has a comparatively old system, there's little practical performance penalty from having Qt and GTK both installed, and most people will use a mix of apps of both flavours.
Kubuntu Gutsy (Canllaith.org)
Posted Nov 7, 2007 12:15 UTC (Wed) by mbottrell (guest, #43008) [Link]
Think you miss the point of Ubuntu and it's flavours. The Kubuntu or Ubuntu or Xubuntu for that matter allows users to get their favourite desktop environment off the bat, with a bunch of apps/utils for their environment. Sure, you can install say GTK libs for those KDE users and KDElibs for those Gnome users... and most power users do.. However for Johnny Learner, it's an easy way to get their desired Desktop environment in a bootable/installable CD. Once installed.. just use apt/synaptic to install any of the other bits and pieces you like (such as the alternative libraries).
Kubuntu Gutsy (Canllaith.org)
Posted Nov 7, 2007 13:20 UTC (Wed) by pointwood (subscriber, #2814) [Link]
Why not go one step further and just make packages for slackware? (or whatever was the first distro that existed)
Kubuntu
Posted Nov 7, 2007 14:12 UTC (Wed) by rfunk (subscriber, #4054) [Link]
What's the duplicate work? They make it easy to have a complete KDE-based (or XFCE-based for Xubuntu) system with a CD install or "apt-get kubuntu-desktop". Kubuntu is just another flavor of Ubuntu; it's not actually very separate at all. I'm pretty sure there are Fedora users who run Gnome and Fedora users who run KDE and Fedora users who run XFCE; Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu just gives more support to all of them for installing and staying within their preferred environment.
Kubuntu Gutsy (Canllaith.org)
Posted Nov 7, 2007 14:17 UTC (Wed) by vondo (guest, #256) [Link]
As others have said, basically it IS a set of KDE packages for Ubuntu. The repository is the same. Ubuntu chose GNOME for its desktop, so the Kubuntu people came along and decided to support the KDE packages so that users would have a choice. Probably 95% of the packages in a default install of either are identical and if you want to add the "other" desktop, you can with just one command. There are two ways in which Kubuntu is the ugly step-sister: I don't think it gets as much support to fix its issues as Ubuntu proper and the schedule is tied to GNOME releases, not KDE. Still, it's the best KDE-based distro I've used. I left Mandriva/Mandrake for Kubuntu 6.06 and never looked back.
Kubuntu Gutsy (Canllaith.org)
Posted Nov 7, 2007 18:56 UTC (Wed) by bronson (subscriber, #4806) [Link]
April and October were chosen because they're more or less equidistant between the summer and winter holidays. Even if Gnome went a full year without a release, Ubuntu would still follow their six month cycle like clockwork. That said, I'm sure it's no coincidence that Ubuntu tweaks their release date to consistently fall a week or two later than Gnome. :)
Kubuntu Gutsy (Canllaith.org)
Posted Nov 7, 2007 18:59 UTC (Wed) by Richard_J_Neill (subscriber, #23093) [Link]
As I see it, KDE is basically kwin + kicker + konsole + konqueror + klipper. The rest of KDE is essentially interchangeable. So, what I don't understand is why Kubuntu excludes all the gnome-stuff. If I were making a kubuntu installer, I'd still ship with synaptic, rather than adept, and I'd keep most of the gnome-system-admin stuff, rather than relying on the less mature and customised KDE stuff. (Eg ksysv was, when I last used it, not actually compatible with Ubuntu since it was unaware of the existence of /etc/rcS.d). Whereas most distros have a system-admin utility (Mandriva control centre, Yast etc), Ubuntu's "control center" is very tightly bound to Gnome. Kubuntu seems to ignore most of these. In my view, the best apps have to be selected from *both* GTK and QT camps.
gnome-libs vs kdelibs
Posted Nov 8, 2007 14:11 UTC (Thu) by hummassa (subscriber, #307) [Link]
the problem is, when you run synaptic inside KDE, you are with both gnome-libs and kdelibs in RAM (plus generated data structures). When you run adept inside KDE, you are only with kdelibs in RAM. I (kubuntu user here) tend to use krita in opposition to gimp, for instance, mostly because it starts faster, feels faster in general and doesn't hog the whole desktop. I'm sure Gnome users feel the same when they run Amarok, for instance.
gnome-libs vs kdelibs
Posted Nov 8, 2007 18:23 UTC (Thu) by oak (subscriber, #2786) [Link]
But according to some comments on Kubuntu Gutsy updates, it's the Kubuntu package management UI that runs out of memory during distro upgrade whereas the gnome tools work for this... (it's also *much* easier in them to view package changelogs before updating to a new version)
Kubuntu Gutsy (Canllaith.org)
Posted Nov 7, 2007 21:25 UTC (Wed) by pointwood (subscriber, #2814) [Link]
There's only one developer (Jonathan Riddel) hired to work on Kubuntu. Of course, Kubuntu shares a lot of code/software with Ubuntu. Ubuntu is certainly where the primary focus is, that is evident everywhere. Note: I'm not complaining, even though I use Kubuntu. I'm not going to start complaining as long as I don't pay anything for it :)