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Hardy Heron open for uploads
Hardy Heron open for uploads
Posted Oct 25, 2007 21:57 UTC (Thu) by rrdharan (subscriber, #41452)Parent article: Hardy Heron open for uploads
How about somebody actually fixing the massive Compiz problems that are plaguing people with ATI and NVIDIA cards who upgraded to Gutsy? Or at least stop pretending, and go turn off compiz by default: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/108527 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/151168 Here's another idea: stop offering upgrade. It never works, and it's clearly not well tested, so just don't claim to support it so we don't waste our time trying it.
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Posted Oct 25, 2007 22:45 UTC (Thu) by bfields (subscriber, #19510) [Link]
Does Ubuntu even claim to support the drivers you're using?
stop offering upgrade. It never works,
The Feisty->Gutsy upgrade worked on my machine. And I've been continuously tracking debian sid (on which it's based) with multiple machines for years with only rare problems.
and it's clearly not well tested, so just don't claim to support it so we don't waste our time trying it.
I'd rather they fixed upgrade bugs than ditch upgrading entirely; reinstalling is time-consuming, and I worry about the amount of testing the new version will get if people can't upgrade to it easily as it's under development.
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Posted Oct 26, 2007 7:19 UTC (Fri) by pointwood (subscriber, #2814) [Link]
I have a feeling that many of the failed upgrades are from systems where the person have installed non-supported software. It's simply impossible for the Ubuntu team to test that.
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Posted Oct 26, 2007 16:04 UTC (Fri) by kotoku (subscriber, #48697) [Link]
Maybe late on the comments on the upgrade from feisty to gutsy but I did a full network upgrade on my amd64 machine and it took about nearly 3hrs to download all the packages. Came back later and had to use CLI and use dpkg to complete. Everything well very well including the new kernel all in place, rebooted flawless. Most people new to the command line need a little hand holding but its not that hard. Great work by the dev team. I use both .deb and .rpm aka Red Hat Fedora, but found great stability and satisfaction in the .dep distros.
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Posted Oct 26, 2007 19:57 UTC (Fri) by TomDownSouth (subscriber, #31105) [Link]
I also experienced a smooth upgrade, approx 1 hour to download, 2 hours to reinstall. Fresh reboot and finally my wifi worked with nm-applet. This is an old AMD64 laptop.
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Posted Oct 26, 2007 1:08 UTC (Fri) by Mithrandir (subscriber, #3031) [Link]
Upgrading both Debian and Ubuntu has worked for me countless times, on both desktops and servers. Perhaps you need to support your sweeping assertion with something even vaguely resembling evidence.
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Posted Oct 26, 2007 8:34 UTC (Fri) by tajyrink (subscriber, #2750) [Link]
It looks like most people experiencing problems are using closed source drivers that generally always suck especially with ATI, and the other report dates back to Ubuntu 7.04 with relatively little content after gutsy release - some Mobility Radeons seem to have problems, or the motherboard chipsets used. The biggest problem I think is that thanks to those who want closed drivers and for which the Restricted Manager has been done, closed drivers are suggested upon first boot-up for supported graphics chipsets. In the case of fglrx, it's really not a good idea since you get less 3D with Radeon 9500 - X800 than what you get with the open source drivers, from the user perspective, since you cannot enable Compiz. As for upgrades, I had initially problems with 6.06 -> 6.10 but otherwise it has worked fluently, as long as I don't upgrade before the release (the upgrade bugs are supposed to be solved for the release, not before it) and as long as I haven't used any Automatix or such scripts which mess up the computer badly. Generally from viewing community discussion I've observed that 7.04 -> 7.10 has gone pretty darn well, except for the big, worrysome problems with Kubuntu updater, alas. Most failures to upgrade have come down to trying to upgrade with apt-get dist-upgrade without knowing how to actually resolve problems, or using third party packages that break things. Handling of latter could always be better, though.
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Posted Oct 26, 2007 20:49 UTC (Fri) by oak (subscriber, #2786) [Link]
> Generally from viewing community discussion I've observed that 7.04 -> 7.10 has gone pretty darn well, except for the big, worrysome problems with Kubuntu updater, alas. Could you post links to this? Do things work better if one uses the Gnome updater with Kubuntu?
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Posted Oct 27, 2007 13:22 UTC (Sat) by tajyrink (subscriber, #2750) [Link]
> Could you post links to this? Do things work better if one uses the > Gnome updater with Kubuntu? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/... Apparently indeed using Gnome's update-manager works better if using Kubuntu.
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Posted Oct 29, 2007 13:28 UTC (Mon) by JLCdjinn (subscriber, #1905) [Link]
I ran into the same problem, but wow, it looks like it could have been a lot worse! In my case, the Kubuntu update manager would successfully get to the end of downloading all the new packages and then the OOM reaper would end its existence. Consistently. Watched with top while it just chewed through memory and then poof, gone. I decided to try the regular Ubuntu update manager (which, amusingly, I had to install first), and it worked just fine; thankfully it used the cache of the packages that had been downloaded already. It gave me a warning about doing a non-standard version upgrade, but I interpreted that to mean that it was updating the Kubuntu package set, not the "expected" Ubuntu package set.
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Posted Oct 26, 2007 10:35 UTC (Fri) by Los__D (subscriber, #15263) [Link]
Do we have another Automatix user here? If you screw with your system like that, you can be sure that the system will screw you back at some point... In this case when you do a major upgrade.
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Posted Oct 28, 2007 13:59 UTC (Sun) by 3vi1 (guest, #39830) [Link]
>> stop offering upgrade. It never works, I've been doing it for the last four versions with four different systems (all with different mb/video/audio), and it has yet to give me any real problems. Just yesterday, I upgraded my fathers computer from dapper to edgy to feisty to gutsy. The only problem I ran into was solved by removing a single obsolete package at the end. Your results are atypical, in my experience.