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Hardy Heron open for uploads
The doors are now open for uploads to Hardy Heron, the next in the Ubuntu line of releases, due for release in the first half of 2008. We are ready and waiting for your contributions to what is certain to be our best release yet! In particular, help is needed to merge the many new versions of Debian packages waiting at <http://merges.ubuntu.com/>. As the graph at [1] shows, the number of packages in need of a merge has been climbing steadily over the past couple of months while Gutsy was frozen, so it's time to work on bringing this number back down again for Hardy. Naturally this means that Hardy will be a bit bumpy for a while as the many new changes take time to settle. In the event of a cabin depressurization, please remember to secure your own mask first before assisting other passengers. Otherwise, enjoy the ride towards Ubuntu 8.04 LTS, and thanks for flying with the Hardy Heron! [1] http://merges.ubuntu.com/main-trend.png -- ubuntu-devel-announce mailing list ubuntu-devel-announce@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-an... (Log in to post comments)
Hardy Heron open for uploads Posted Oct 25, 2007 21:57 UTC (Thu) by rrdharan (guest, #41452) [Link] How about somebody actually fixing the massive Compiz problems that are plaguing people with ATI and NVIDIA cards who upgraded to Gutsy? Or at least stop pretending, and go turn off compiz by default: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/108527 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/151168 Here's another idea: stop offering upgrade. It never works, and it's clearly not well tested, so just don't claim to support it so we don't waste our time trying it.
Hardy Heron open for uploads Posted Oct 25, 2007 22:45 UTC (Thu) by bfields (subscriber, #19510) [Link] Does Ubuntu even claim to support the drivers you're using? stop offering upgrade. It never works, The Feisty->Gutsy upgrade worked on my machine. And I've been continuously tracking debian sid (on which it's based) with multiple machines for years with only rare problems. and it's clearly not well tested, so just don't claim to support it so we don't waste our time trying it. I'd rather they fixed upgrade bugs than ditch upgrading entirely; reinstalling is time-consuming, and I worry about the amount of testing the new version will get if people can't upgrade to it easily as it's under development.
Hardy Heron open for uploads Posted Oct 26, 2007 7:19 UTC (Fri) by pointwood (guest, #2814) [Link] I have a feeling that many of the failed upgrades are from systems where the person have installed non-supported software. It's simply impossible for the Ubuntu team to test that.
Hardy Heron open for uploads Posted Oct 26, 2007 16:04 UTC (Fri) by kotoku (guest, #48697) [Link] Maybe late on the comments on the upgrade from feisty to gutsy but I did a full network upgrade on my amd64 machine and it took about nearly 3hrs to download all the packages. Came back later and had to use CLI and use dpkg to complete. Everything well very well including the new kernel all in place, rebooted flawless. Most people new to the command line need a little hand holding but its not that hard. Great work by the dev team. I use both .deb and .rpm aka Red Hat Fedora, but found great stability and satisfaction in the .dep distros.
Hardy Heron open for uploads Posted Oct 26, 2007 19:57 UTC (Fri) by TomDownSouth (guest, #31105) [Link] I also experienced a smooth upgrade, approx 1 hour to download, 2 hours to reinstall. Fresh reboot and finally my wifi worked with nm-applet. This is an old AMD64 laptop.
Hardy Heron open for uploads Posted Oct 26, 2007 1:08 UTC (Fri) by Mithrandir (subscriber, #3031) [Link] Upgrading both Debian and Ubuntu has worked for me countless times, on both desktops and servers. Perhaps you need to support your sweeping assertion with something even vaguely resembling evidence.
Hardy Heron open for uploads Posted Oct 26, 2007 8:34 UTC (Fri) by tajyrink (subscriber, #2750) [Link] It looks like most people experiencing problems are using closed source drivers that generally always suck especially with ATI, and the other report dates back to Ubuntu 7.04 with relatively little content after gutsy release - some Mobility Radeons seem to have problems, or the motherboard chipsets used. The biggest problem I think is that thanks to those who want closed drivers and for which the Restricted Manager has been done, closed drivers are suggested upon first boot-up for supported graphics chipsets. In the case of fglrx, it's really not a good idea since you get less 3D with Radeon 9500 - X800 than what you get with the open source drivers, from the user perspective, since you cannot enable Compiz. As for upgrades, I had initially problems with 6.06 -> 6.10 but otherwise it has worked fluently, as long as I don't upgrade before the release (the upgrade bugs are supposed to be solved for the release, not before it) and as long as I haven't used any Automatix or such scripts which mess up the computer badly. Generally from viewing community discussion I've observed that 7.04 -> 7.10 has gone pretty darn well, except for the big, worrysome problems with Kubuntu updater, alas. Most failures to upgrade have come down to trying to upgrade with apt-get dist-upgrade without knowing how to actually resolve problems, or using third party packages that break things. Handling of latter could always be better, though.
Hardy Heron open for uploads Posted Oct 26, 2007 20:49 UTC (Fri) by oak (guest, #2786) [Link] > Generally from viewing community discussion I've observed that 7.04 -> 7.10 has gone pretty darn well, except for the big, worrysome problems with Kubuntu updater, alas. Could you post links to this? Do things work better if one uses the Gnome updater with Kubuntu?
Hardy Heron open for uploads Posted Oct 27, 2007 13:22 UTC (Sat) by tajyrink (subscriber, #2750) [Link] > Could you post links to this? Do things work better if one uses the > Gnome updater with Kubuntu? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/... Apparently indeed using Gnome's update-manager works better if using Kubuntu.
Hardy Heron open for uploads Posted Oct 29, 2007 13:28 UTC (Mon) by JLCdjinn (guest, #1905) [Link] I ran into the same problem, but wow, it looks like it could have been a lot worse! In my case, the Kubuntu update manager would successfully get to the end of downloading all the new packages and then the OOM reaper would end its existence. Consistently. Watched with top while it just chewed through memory and then poof, gone. I decided to try the regular Ubuntu update manager (which, amusingly, I had to install first), and it worked just fine; thankfully it used the cache of the packages that had been downloaded already. It gave me a warning about doing a non-standard version upgrade, but I interpreted that to mean that it was updating the Kubuntu package set, not the "expected" Ubuntu package set.
Hardy Heron open for uploads Posted Oct 26, 2007 10:35 UTC (Fri) by Los__D (guest, #15263) [Link] Do we have another Automatix user here? If you screw with your system like that, you can be sure that the system will screw you back at some point... In this case when you do a major upgrade.
Hardy Heron open for uploads Posted Oct 28, 2007 13:59 UTC (Sun) by 3vi1 (guest, #39830) [Link] >> stop offering upgrade. It never works, I've been doing it for the last four versions with four different systems (all with different mb/video/audio), and it has yet to give me any real problems. Just yesterday, I upgraded my fathers computer from dapper to edgy to feisty to gutsy. The only problem I ran into was solved by removing a single obsolete package at the end. Your results are atypical, in my experience.
Hardy Heron open for uploads Posted Oct 25, 2007 23:26 UTC (Thu) by irios (guest, #19838) [Link] I cannot remember how many times I've upgraded my laptop, but possibly since breezy, and it has always worked. I've also updated a few desktops at home and in the office a few times, and it has also worked fine. As for compiz being less than rock-solid, well, I agree. Still, it does not come enabled by default, and it is getting so much exposure that next iteration will surely be far more stable. I hope it becomes more elegant (as in classy) in the process too: as it is, it is impressive as it is tacky.
Hardy Heron open for uploads Posted Oct 26, 2007 4:48 UTC (Fri) by sitaram (subscriber, #5959) [Link] I am new to Ubuntu (or in my case, Kubuntu, since I am a KDE guy). I have been using, and still use, Mandrake/Mandriva on most of my machines. *What attracted me to Ubuntu was precisely this "seamless upgrade" concept*. I recently upgraded Feisty to Gutsy. The GUI update failed multiple times (but you've heard this before). The command line update worked perfectly afterward. There are many people for whom the GUI upgrade failed, I understand from the various online fora etc. Given that this is one of the points that attract non-techie folks to Ubuntu, and these non-techie folks are unlikely to go to the command line, I consider this a problem. I must also mention that I did the exact same "network upgrade" to my Mandriva box last week. Against the advice of the #mandriva channel folks, I did a command line upgrade (manually remove all urpmi sources and adding new ones for the 2008 version, eqvt to changing feisty to gutsy in /etc/apt/sources.list), urpmi --auto-update (eqvt to aptitude update; aptitude upgrade). Started this before I left for home; it took about 7 hours, downloaded an astonishing 2.6 GB of stuff, and was waiting the next day. I noticed it didn't upgrade the kernel; upgraded that manually, and rebooted. So in one case, a supported upgrade (the GUI one, not the CLI one) doesn't work. In another case, an unsupported upgrade (even if it is only CLI -- why would there be a GUI for unsupported stuff anyway?) worked great. I have been using Mandriva since about 1999 (was Mandrake then) and am yet to be seriously disappointed :-)
Hardy Heron open for uploads Posted Oct 30, 2007 21:08 UTC (Tue) by serxxx (guest, #48780) [Link] My issue wasn't so much with the upgrader not working; like almost everybody else, the Kubuntu upgrader was a disaster, but using either the command-line client or the Ubuntu upgrader seemed to work.No, my problems were with regressions in Ubuntu and/or the Linux kernel itself. I am not using any proprietary drivers. First off, screen rotation -- which was working beautifully in Feisty -- was utterly broken under Dapper. This was an X regression. Then, on a different laptop, suspend to RAM AND to disk (both working in Feisty) both stopped working after the upgrade to 7.10. Also, network performance was noticeably degraded on both laptops after the upgrade. Finally, within a week of upgrading to Dapper, a libc upgrade (at least, I suspect that this was the culprit) destroyed KDE -- every KDE app segfaulted. I finally gave up and downgraded both laptops to Feisty Fawn, and everything is working again. There were a couple of nice changes in Dapper; suspend on the one laptop where it still worked after the upgrade was much faster. Also, some of the init scripts had tweaks specific to my laptop that I previously had to do by hand. And the prospect of the new xrandr was enticing. However, no amount of new features are worth the horrible regressions in Dapper; when an upgrade renders your computer unusable, it is time to revert. --- SER
Hardy Heron open for uploads Posted Nov 1, 2007 4:04 UTC (Thu) by xanni (subscriber, #361) [Link] Do you really mean "Dapper" (Dapper Drake, Ubuntu 6.06 LTS) or perhaps you meant to write "Gutsy" (Gutsy Gibbon, Ubuntu 7.10)?
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