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Ubuntu 7.10 "Gutsy Gibbon" releasedUbuntu 7.10 "Gutsy Gibbon" releasedPosted Oct 18, 2007 21:06 UTC (Thu) by mikov (subscriber, #33179)Parent article: Ubuntu 7.10 "Gutsy Gibbon" released
Sigh. I don't think I am going to be upgrading soon. There was a serious bug in the upgrade process for Feisty: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/... Basically the upgrade would crash. It happened to me on 100% of all upgrades I attempted (several different machines). Apparently this bug still hasn't been fixed for Gutsy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/... I am not looking forward to starting an upgrade knowing in advance that it will crash. I find this completely unacceptable and extremely disappointing. I hope I don't sound like a troll, but I would never expect something like this from Debian, for example. Perhaps 6 months really is too short time for making a robust OS release.
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Ubuntu 7.10 "Gutsy Gibbon" released Posted Oct 18, 2007 23:50 UTC (Thu) by Joe_Oblivian (guest, #48538) [Link] Apparently that was only affecting some kubuntu machines due to a bug in konsole https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-kde3/+bu... Basically, if you have an up-to-date feisty, this should not happen anymore.
Ubuntu 7.10 "Gutsy Gibbon" released Posted Oct 19, 2007 18:04 UTC (Fri) by mikov (subscriber, #33179) [Link] I am not convinced. I keep seeing new bug submissions from people upgrading to Gutsy, like this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/... Since they are upgrading, their Feisty must have been up to date. I think Ubuntu really dropped the ball on this one.
Ubuntu 7.10 "Gutsy Gibbon" released Posted Oct 19, 2007 7:30 UTC (Fri) by davidw (subscriber, #947) [Link] That's not the only one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.... I think I'll stay away for another month or so in the hopes that they fix it up some.
Ubuntu 7.10 "Gutsy Gibbon" released Posted Oct 19, 2007 20:02 UTC (Fri) by pkolloch (subscriber, #21709) [Link] Well, I can't stand the update-manager. I thought that I give it a try. It was unable to use my local mirror for the update, even though it had gutsy packages. Much worse, it did not substitute it with anything else providing the main packages. Argh! I am back to doing the update in good ol' aptitude after editing my /etc/apt/sources.list -- can't see what's wrong with that. Strange that they do not even mention that possibility on the update page. Let's see if it works -- I'm currently doing an update on this machine ;)
Ubuntu 7.10 "Gutsy Gibbon" released Posted Oct 22, 2007 7:06 UTC (Mon) by sitaram (subscriber, #5959) [Link] I am a recent convert (Linux since Yggdrasil days, Mandrake since 1998) to Kubuntu, and the graphical upgrade failed twice for me. It would download some application, but die in step 2 of some checklist by saying that the downloaded file was corrupt. I have no clue what it was trying to download. As an experiment (it was a machine that was "disposable" in some sense, and anyway I had /home on a different partition) I started with a clean install of Kubuntu 7.04, and did all the upgrades purely from the command line. Worked fine. Draw your own conclusions :-)
Ubuntu 7.10 "Gutsy Gibbon" released Posted Oct 22, 2007 17:11 UTC (Mon) by mikov (subscriber, #33179) [Link] IIRC, the installation instructions said that the "aptitude dist-upgrade" method would probably not work. It might not clean all old packages, etc. Are they saying that on purpose so they only have to support one upgrade path ? I am really weary of doing experiments. I run Ubuntu (Kubuntu) on my laptop, and I have to use it every day, so it is not "disposable". Luckily, all my other development machines and servers have Debian Stable, which is immune from such problems. Makes me wonder, though. We use Kubuntu on a couple of computers at the office. Given this, they are definitely not getting upgraded any time soon, and we are considering eventually moving them to Etch + Backports.
Ubuntu 7.10 "Gutsy Gibbon" released Posted Oct 25, 2007 7:47 UTC (Thu) by erwbgy (subscriber, #4104) [Link] My laptop running Kubuntu has been offline for about six weeks and I decided to update it to Gutsy Gibbon two days ago. Like some of the other posters the GUI upgrade tools failed, but after running "apt_get update; apt-get -y upgrade" a few times the update succeeded and it works fine.
Ubuntu 7.10 "Gutsy Gibbon" released Posted Oct 25, 2007 18:45 UTC (Thu) by mikov (subscriber, #33179) [Link] (Sorry for the long and somewhat frustrated comment :-) I am fairly confident that even if my upgrade breaks, I will eventually be able to fix it. I did it on a couple of machines the last time (upgrade to Feisty), and this time there are more workarounds posted, etc. The question is why should I bother. Take a look at the comments on the main bug (btw, it is getting more duplicates every day, so the problem keeps happening): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/... One poster says "...this upgrade should not be attempted whatsoever by anyone who uses their machine for work, school, or other important operations.". This is how our Kubuntu machines are used - downtime is not acceptable. How can we take Kubunutu seriously now ? What worries me is that it shouldn't be this way. Upgrading the OS is an extremely critical issue. A critical bug in it should not have been left unfixed for two (!!!) releases. In my mind this puts a serious question whether I should be wasting time with Kubuntu at all (supposedly Ubuntu is better tested, but alas KDE is a requirement for me, so it is not an option). Even though Debian is somewhat less polished, and one has to use lots of backports, it simply never breaks. Lets say hypothetically that I had purchased support from Canonical (it has been a definite possibility, but is getting less likely). How would they help me ? They would tell me the known workaround, but I still would have to apply it manually on all machines that I have to upgrade. And I would definitely be pissed if I had to use support twice for the same problem in two consecutive releases.
Ubuntu 7.10 "Gutsy Gibbon" released Posted Oct 25, 2007 22:57 UTC (Thu) by andybruk (subscriber, #31794) [Link] If you think ubuntu is better tested but you need kubuntu, install ubuntu, and then install the kubuntu-desktop package. You can then run all your KDE apps through Ubuntu.
Ubuntu 7.10 "Gutsy Gibbon" released Posted Oct 26, 2007 18:36 UTC (Fri) by mikov (subscriber, #33179) [Link] Installing hundreds of megabytes of Gnome packages, only to enable upgrading KDE, is not any more acceptable than applying the manual workarounds for this problem. If Kubuntu can't be upgraded independently, it should not be offered as a separate distribution. Of course in that case users who require KDE would turn to completely different distros, and Canonical probably doesn't want that. You can't eat your cake and have it too; that is - you can't attract KDE users without actually supporting KDE.
I am just one guy, just 4 machines, but... Posted Oct 25, 2007 15:28 UTC (Thu) by hummassa (subscriber, #307) [Link] upgrading my kubuntus to Gutsy was a breeze. Not a problem at all. * One old laptop with Crusoe 750MHz, SiS video and 300MB RAM; * Celeron 2.6 GHz at work, SiS video again, with 1.5GB RAM; * Core2 Duo at home, Intel video, 2GB RAM; * AppleTV (nvidia video, 256MB RAM?)
I am just one guy, just 4 machines, but... Posted Oct 26, 2007 0:06 UTC (Fri) by jospoortvliet (subscriber, #33164) [Link] yeah, me too, my little Sony Vaio had no troubles during the upgrade...
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