Ubuntu and governance
Posted Oct 10, 2007 21:43 UTC (Wed) by rickmoen
In reply to: Ubuntu and governance
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Good for Fabio M. Di Nitto. However, (1) people looking for logs at the obvious places aren't going to find them there, (2) the appear (per URL) to be an individuals, rather than an official offering of the committee's, (3) other people have no idea whether they're complete and accurately represent what occurred, and (4) even if Fabio does manage to log everything on an ongoing basis, for other reasons described (private channel and mailing list), they might well not capture the discussions generally of interest, anyway.
I'm not aware of this ever happening
Irrelevant to the point.
When I said "most", I of course meant "most significant". The provision for as-needed resort to explicitly private and explicitly confidential discussion tends to speak for itself. I'm not in any way criticising the Ubuntu Project for having such mechanisms. I'm merely saying that these and the other things described are the real mechanisms for implementing conduct discipline, and that the Code(s) of Conduct is (are) not substantially relevant to process.
It's true - Ubuntu isn't a democracy.[...]
Again, I voiced no criticism. Ubuntu Project does not need to justify its organisational form. Again, I merely detailed what is real, in the area of conduct enforcement, and what is not.
I'm certainly not going to try to convince you that you're wrong about Ubuntu.
Actually, if my description is inaccurate, please do feel welcome to clarify. However, you should probably start by re-reading what I wrote, since obviously you inferred in error that I was criticising the Ubuntu Project's core nature, in which reading you erred, badly.
You basically ignored the substance of my post completely, and responded with a completely irrelevant non-response about Ubuntu Project's reasons for its organisational form. This is mildly vexing, because I was, I think, rather clear in my earlier post, so I infer that you must not have tried very hard to read before posting.
But to answer your original question - if someone's long-term failure to be collaborative or ask for help results in them adversely affecting other people's attempts to contribute, even after requests for them to modify their behaviour, then yes, they'll probably be expelled from the project.
I'm somewhat embarrassed, and saddened, to have to report this news: The question was 100% rhetorical. It is an evident absurdity to seriously maintain that an open-source project's conduct rules actually require that participants "Be collaborative" and "When you are unsure, ask for help", and that disciplinary proceedings leading to sanctions up to and including expulsion can result from detected violations. If you are honestly saying that you cannot figure out why, then I fear we have no basis for discussion.
While I know that I said I wasn't trying to convince you that Ubuntu isn't evil or anything,
Again, you have very badly misread, if you inferred that I was saying that Ubuntu Project or anyone else is "evil" or any other such characterisation.
...free to get in touch with me...
That might be more likely if you would let people know who you are, and give some clue concerning your relationship, if any, to the Ubuntu Project.
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