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Answers from postions of typical uber-geek

Posted Oct 4, 2007 6:57 UTC (Thu) by khim (subscriber, #9252)
In reply to: Yet another male perspective on women in free software by paulmfoster
Parent article: Yet another male perspective on women in free software

Note: I'm not uber-geek, I just play devil's advocate. Just 1-2% of ubergeeks in community are enough to drive all women away, so we can not just ignore them.

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1. I never understood why people so often want to punch me - so I've stopped talking serious on public. The people from this mailing list will never punch me if I'll say what I write in my e-mails so I think I'm safe here.

2. See above: I know my conversations are not private, but the important people are seeing them anyway and the rest of the world are not important, so I just don't know what are you trying to say here.

3. Why not ? This my place and we play by my rules, on public I'm mostly silent so "general public" can do anything they want.

4. Other end is other end - I can not predict their reaction. If I said truth as I see it - what more can they want ?

5. I do not want to fight - other people have strange urge to fight me, but that's their problem, not mine. If they can accept the truth and can not prove that what I'm saying is false - what they are are trying to achieve anyway ?

6. It's not my job to correct all things on the internet, but if someone says some incorrect things on my turf - it's my responsibility. Stupid people must be corrected (and weed out if the need arises) or else pointless noise will drown all things here.

7. How will I know ? I see falsehood - I respond. Sometimes I don't have time and hope someone else will respond, but it rarely happens. I wonder why.

8. This is repeat of 2. above or does it have some new points ?

9. Good flamefest can be interesting mental challenge sometimes. It's not important but can be fun - I forget about it once the flames stops, but other people sometimes remember it for year... wonder why...

10. Huh ? There are a difference between written and spoken communication ? What are you talking about ? Do you talk about how some people's face becomes red before they start trying to punch me ?

11. If they are as capable - they can send patch, I'll happily accept it. Instead they are starting to talk about silly things like tact or manners. I just don't know how to shut them up. Why can not they say something useful for once ?

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It's very true that it's all the question of *manners*, but sizable percentage of geeks feel that manners are useless waste of time or even worse: burden that hurts discussion by clouding issues. Before you'll try to explain to geeks how can they use tact you should explain to them why they should bother


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Answers from postions of typical uber-geek

Posted Oct 4, 2007 9:21 UTC (Thu) by sdalley (subscriber, #18550) [Link]

O wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
It wad frae mony a blunder free us,
An' foolish notion:
What airs in dress an' gait wad lea'e us,
An' ev'n devotion!

Robert Burns

Answers from postions of typical uber-geek

Posted Oct 4, 2007 13:43 UTC (Thu) by lysse (subscriber, #3190) [Link]

> I'm not uber-geek, I just play devil's advocate

...you mean you troll...?

Answers from postions of typical uber-geek

Posted Oct 4, 2007 16:25 UTC (Thu) by amikins (subscriber, #451) [Link]

To be fair, it looks to me more like this individual isn't clear on the purpose of playing devil's advocate.

Devil's advocate is an attempt to advance understanding of a problem by presenting alternate points, as well-reasoned as possible. If the points aren't sufficiently well framed as to be able to usefully further discussion, then the goal isn't served.

Care must be taken when attempting to take on the devil's advocate role; if you aren't precise in how you present these views, you do in fact come across as a troll.

Answers from postions of typical uber-geek

Posted Oct 20, 2007 1:01 UTC (Sat) by einhverfr (guest, #44407) [Link]

I actually thought the points were well demonstrated.  Not strictly devils advocate, more
along the lines of what one might expect from, say, Jonathan Swift.

I think the main issue however, is that it really does come down to community management.
Some  people "get it" and some don't.

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