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Re: Wasting our Freedom
In the case of Ryek's code, the reverse is true but instead of admitting
the mistake and making the needed corrections, FSF has pulled out their
lawyers in hopes of getting away with the theft.
You have jumped to a false conclusion. The FSF is not involved in
this; Linux is not our project. Linux developers firmly guard their
independence and don't often follow our advice.
This appears to be a dispute between OpenBSD developers and some Linux
developers I do not know. I do not know what happened. What the
OpenBSD developers say is unreliable, because they also make
statements about the FSF that I know are false. To find out what
really happened, I would have to check on my own. I could do that,
but I have no reason to do that work. I am not inclined to do that
work to cater to demands from hostile people.
If the issue were about actions of the FSF or the GNU Project, I would
have a responsibility to check the facts and assure myself that we did
right. But the FSF and the GNU Project are not involved, and nobody
in this dispute is disposed to follow my advice. So I am not going to
give any.
I may write a general article about the ethics of applying the GNU GPL
to code released under lax permissive licenses, as I see it. But if I
do, it won't come out soon; I will take time to think about it.
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Re: Wasting our Freedom Posted Sep 20, 2007 17:25 UTC (Thu) by vonbrand (subscriber, #4458) [Link] Strange, first it had to be GNU/Linux, because Linux just "came to complete the GNU project", and now "the GNU project has nothing whatsoever to do with Linux".
Re: Wasting our Freedom Posted Sep 20, 2007 18:44 UTC (Thu) by branden (subscriber, #7029) [Link] The above is not a useful comment; smells like a troll.
There's a difference between Linux the OS kernel and Linux, the community of kernel hackers.
The same is true of OpenBSD. Moreover, there's a difference between the OpenBSD kernel and the OpenBSD distribution.
There's a difference between the Debian Project and Debian GNU/Linux, the OS.
There's a difference between the GNU Project and GNU, the operating system (regardless of whether Linux, Hurd, or something else is at the middle of it).
None of these differences cause more than momentary confusion as long as people are willing to hold an honest discussion. If they're not, then they must be willing to defend the premise that there is a big problem with the person who utters both of the following sentences: "Honey, I put the Ford in the garage tonight because I think it's going to rain" and "Ford shares rose 25 points today -- how about that!".
Not Strange Posted Sep 20, 2007 19:42 UTC (Thu) by GreyWizard (guest, #1026) [Link] Actually there is no contradiction. What Stallman refers to as GNU/Linux is not just the kernel but the entire distribution. He has said from the beginning that the kernel itself is properly called Linux because that is the name Torvalds chose.
Re: Wasting our Freedom Posted Sep 20, 2007 22:39 UTC (Thu) by ajross (subscriber, #4563) [Link] Not to pile on, but just to clarify what the other posters have said:
The usage here is 100% consistent. To the FSF, "GNU" is the name of a complete software system. That FSF softare (gcc, binutils, bash, fileutils, etc...) is used on top of the Linux kernel by "Linux" distributions, so they would like the combined system to be termed "GNU/Linux".
But the kernel is, and has always been, simply "Linux" to the FSF, as it is to the rest of the world.
Re: Wasting our Freedom Posted Sep 21, 2007 10:48 UTC (Fri) by nettings (subscriber, #429) [Link] rms often irritates me, but this is a true pearl of wisdom.
Re: Wasting our Freedom Posted Sep 21, 2007 14:02 UTC (Fri) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link] If you find somebody that doesn't occasionally irritate you, then run. They are not a genuine human being..
Re: Wasting our Freedom Posted Oct 1, 2007 7:09 UTC (Mon) by turpie (guest, #5219) [Link] You said "occasionally" but nettings said "often", there is a bit a of difference. Many of my friends occasionally annoy me but they don't do it often.
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