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No hotswap of microsd, then
No hotswap of microsd, then
Posted Aug 29, 2007 20:44 UTC (Wed) by smitty_one_each (subscriber, #28989)In reply to: No hotswap of microsd, then by eru
Parent article: A first look at the OpenMoko Neo 1973
Curious what use-case you have for swapping the SIM. Debugging, maybe.
In the general user case, about the only times to swap the SIM are:
a) upgrading to new hardware
b) travelling to a the sort of place that you want to shed your Ferrari phone for something more pedestrian.
If you're the carrier, and people can hot-swap the SIM, that sounds like a recipe for unsavory activity.
So, no, I would actually call putting the battery in front of the SIM a clear design decision, not a flaw.
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No hotswap of microsd, then
Posted Aug 29, 2007 20:48 UTC (Wed) by Robin.Hill (subscriber, #4385) [Link]
I assume he's wanting to change the microSD card - not exactly an unusual use case. And needing to power off to do so does seem rather awkward.
No hotswap of microsd, then
Posted Sep 7, 2007 11:12 UTC (Fri) by Cato (subscriber, #7643) [Link]
The other thing to consider is that SD and MicroSD cards in some phones can easily pop out and be lost (hello, Treo 600...) - so I really like a design where the SD card is behind the battery. This also means that applications can treat this as an "internal disk" for data, media and software storage.
It would be good to have a second MicroSD slot that is externally accessible, although with a cover to help avoid card loss.
No hotswap of microsd, then
Posted Sep 7, 2007 15:16 UTC (Fri) by bronson (subscriber, #4806) [Link]
My phone (T-Mobile Dash) puts the microsd under the battery cover but not under the battery. Best of both worlds: it's hard to lose the microsd card man these things are small -- and easy to hot-swap without turning off the phone.
Yeah, an external microsd slot with no cover just sounds like trouble.
No hotswap of microsd, then
Posted Aug 29, 2007 21:07 UTC (Wed) by Max.Hyre (subscriber, #1054) [Link]
If you're the carrier, and people can hot-swap the SIM, that sounds like a recipe for unsavory activity.
I'm unclear on what unsavory activity would be. Obviously the carriers will be miffed when folks can swap without permission, but the only unsavory activity I can bring to mind is when <gasp!> the terrorists get hold of it. John Ashcroft trembles in his boots.
Of course, the plastic-bubble pay-as-you-go phones are just as good, so long as you activate them from a location unconnected to you.
No hotswap of microsd, then
Posted Aug 30, 2007 1:35 UTC (Thu) by abartlet (subscriber, #3928) [Link]
Perhaps this might illustrate the point better:
Sitting in a computer lab back at Uni, one friend asks another: Can I borrow your phone?
But this doesn't mean 'can I charge my phone call to your account', but 'my battery has run out, can I put my SIM in your phone for a moment'. A very useful feature.
(But I think the comment was about hot swapping out the SD card)
No hotswap of microsd, then
Posted Aug 30, 2007 1:45 UTC (Thu) by bronson (subscriber, #4806) [Link]
My friend changes his SIM twice a day. Throw it in the gigantic Blackberry and leash yourself to the office all day, then chuck it into the slick slidey Samsung and head out at night. Obviously you need to power off to do this but batteries and battery covers are just so fiddly. I don't know where he finds the patience.
I would definitely expect to be able to hot-swap the MicroSD card without powering off the phone. This is very useful; I do it all the time on my Dash. Take out the MP3 card and insert the card with all the movies I've been meaning to watch, jam the MP3s back in when I leave the house, etc...
No hotswap of microsd, then
Posted Aug 30, 2007 8:32 UTC (Thu) by ekj (subscriber, #1524) [Link]
Wouldn't it be more reasonable to get a clone of his sim and have one in each phone ?
My phone-provider will even give out clones, charging like $5 and stating explicitly that on some networks, only 1 phone with a given SIM will work at once (usually whichever phone you turn on *last*).
Even if they didn't, it's not as if sim-cloning is horribly hard to get done. To avoid problems I guess if you're using home-brew clones, you'd better make sure to never turn on more than one of the phones simultaneously.
No hotswap of microsd, then