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So the microSD is under the sim, and both under the battery? Makes hard to change the card, and you have to shut the phone totally. Sounds like a design flaw.
No hotswap of microsd, then
Posted Aug 29, 2007 20:44 UTC (Wed) by smitty_one_each (subscriber, #28989)
Posted Aug 29, 2007 20:48 UTC (Wed) by Robin.Hill (subscriber, #4385)
Posted Sep 7, 2007 11:12 UTC (Fri) by Cato (subscriber, #7643)
It would be good to have a second MicroSD slot that is externally accessible, although with a cover to help avoid card loss.
Posted Sep 7, 2007 15:16 UTC (Fri) by bronson (subscriber, #4806)
Yeah, an external microsd slot with no cover just sounds like trouble.
Posted Aug 29, 2007 21:07 UTC (Wed) by Max.Hyre (subscriber, #1054)
If you're the carrier, and people can hot-swap the SIM, that sounds like a recipe for unsavory activity.
I'm unclear on what unsavory activity would be.
Obviously the carriers will be miffed when folks can swap without permission, but the only unsavory activity I can bring to mind is when <gasp!> the terrorists get hold of it. John Ashcroft trembles in his boots.
Of course, the plastic-bubble pay-as-you-go phones are just as good, so long as you activate them from a location unconnected to you.
Posted Aug 30, 2007 1:35 UTC (Thu) by abartlet (subscriber, #3928)
Sitting in a computer lab back at Uni, one friend asks another: Can I borrow your phone?
But this doesn't mean 'can I charge my phone call to your account', but 'my battery has run out, can I put my SIM in your phone for a moment'. A very useful feature.
(But I think the comment was about hot swapping out the SD card)
Posted Aug 30, 2007 1:45 UTC (Thu) by bronson (subscriber, #4806)
I would definitely expect to be able to hot-swap the MicroSD card without powering off the phone. This is very useful; I do it all the time on my Dash. Take out the MP3 card and insert the card with all the movies I've been meaning to watch, jam the MP3s back in when I leave the house, etc...
Posted Aug 30, 2007 8:32 UTC (Thu) by ekj (subscriber, #1524)
My phone-provider will even give out clones, charging like $5 and stating explicitly that on some networks, only 1 phone with a given SIM will work at once (usually whichever phone you turn on *last*).
Even if they didn't, it's not as if sim-cloning is horribly hard to get done. To avoid problems I guess if you're using home-brew clones, you'd better make sure to never turn on more than one of the phones simultaneously.
Posted Aug 31, 2007 19:32 UTC (Fri) by noise (guest, #2923)
Posted Aug 29, 2007 22:03 UTC (Wed) by smurf (subscriber, #17840)
Nokia phones with SD slots have them under the battery too, so that's hardly a disadvantage in the marketplace.
Anyway, the phone has USB. So, instead of swapping the SD card to replace your music, just upload it.
Hotswap on Nokias
Posted Aug 30, 2007 5:10 UTC (Thu) by eru (subscriber, #2753)
No, they don't, at least not all of them. I own a Nokia 6125 where
the MicroSD slot is at the side of the phone, under its own
tiny cover, and the card can be inserted or removed without shutting down
the phone. This in my view is the only sensible way to handle MicroSD cards,
which after all are just another type of removable media, just like floppies
or USB sticks. As noted by others in this thread, there are plenty of
reasons why one would want to swap the card often.
(Incidentally, my original comment was written with the above-mentioned
Nokia, using Opera Mini as the browser instead of the built-in one.)
Posted Aug 30, 2007 14:59 UTC (Thu) by smurf (subscriber, #17840)
Let's hope that the guys will be able to fit that kind of slot into the phone's next iteration, then. It does take up more room than the under-the-battery kind, and they already are committed to fit WLAN and/or accelerometers in the thing, along with all the other stuff in there.
Posted Sep 1, 2007 20:08 UTC (Sat) by pdundas (guest, #15203)
It would have been nice if the neo did something like that as well - but at least this way they don't need to worry about users removing media that have not been correctly unmounted and flushed. Simpler software for the v1 phone.
Posted Aug 29, 2007 22:16 UTC (Wed) by mjr (subscriber, #6979)
As to their seriousness, time has pretty much proven that this is not a killer misfeature, since most phones do it this way. By far the most common use case is to stick those two cards in there once and use away. It's not an unreasonable design compromise, suboptimal as it is.
Of course, this phone's initial target group probably wants to swap their cards around more than the usual people. One would hope that OpenMoko takes off and we'll have new hardware models offer more options as for features and case design.
Meanwhile, ah well. 4 GB µSDs are on the market, 8 announced to be coming up. I shan't be overly concerned about swapping them in my use. YMMV.
Waiting for 8GB MicroSD cards
Posted Aug 30, 2007 5:54 UTC (Thu) by tajyrink (subscriber, #2750)
The first 4GB cards aren't terribly expensive, so it's not going to be too bad for the 8GB cards either, probably.
It's incredible that 8GB can be fitted in an area smaller than a fingertip.
Posted Sep 1, 2007 20:19 UTC (Sat) by pdundas (guest, #15203)
Posted Sep 7, 2007 11:15 UTC (Fri) by Cato (subscriber, #7643)
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