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Fedora is quite bloated
Fedora is quite bloated
Posted Jul 26, 2007 14:33 UTC (Thu) by kjp (subscriber, #39639)Parent article: Fedora's mid-life crisis
We have been using a rh/fedora based appliance since rh6.2. All we want is an os. We don't want to be guinea pigs for selinux, or xen, or need locales or unicode or ldap or kerberos or console-kit or dbus etc etc etc... All this crap is required in a minimal install.
1. Please, use dlopen and don't statically have this dependency hell
2. Please, put i18n stuff in it's own package - not bloat up glibc-common.
3. The specfiles for glibc, kernel, etc. are a read only nightmare.
4. Actually look what your minimal install brings in. console-kit? hal? aghhhh.
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Fedora is quite bloated
Posted Jul 26, 2007 14:49 UTC (Thu) by walters (subscriber, #7396) [Link]
Is being a base for embedded systems or appliances a goal for Fedora? Not explicitly. Could it be? Sure. If you want to see it, you could step up and make some proposals for how it could happen.
Some of the things you mention like glibc-common are basically just rm -rf in a post-image script.
It seems sane to me to run at least D-BUS on an embedded/appliance system unless you're *really* small.
SELinux would be a recompile of a few packages probably.
Anyways, the point is unless someone steps up and takes leadership on how Fedora could evolve to serve embedded systems (and there has been a few people interested), it's not going to just magically happen.
Why Fedora then?
Posted Jul 27, 2007 12:13 UTC (Fri) by walles (subscriber, #954) [Link]
If Fedora has all those problems, why do you still use it?
try ALT Linux then?
Posted Aug 2, 2007 21:17 UTC (Thu) by gvy (guest, #11981) [Link]
Well, you can look at PLD or ALT as a technocratic/meritocratic examples of RPM-based Linux distros. ALT is historically known for being very solid base, ApplianceWare NAS was built on it since ~2001.I guess early introduction of more high-level PM tools than bare RPM helped both of them, along with more or less well-shaped goals (in ALT's case, reasonable security/usability mix among them).
There's Server release and a Desktop RC2 (20070801) for everyone's reviewing and using pleasure; there's also 4.0/branch on FTP including spt tool which is used to create those ISO images and OpenVZ template cache as well (BTW ALT's are by far the smallest of everything in that area of download.openvz.org).
The catch is the same as with nginx: it's a Russian-spoken project, mainly. But for those who decide to delve in such projects (like Ruby, a Japanese-spoken project ten years ago) tend to discover beautiful things.
And yes, there are no concerns on software patents in Russia so every driver and codec we could enable or include within copyright is there :)
PS: I hope that seeing Fedora on our tracks is good for them, even if it's 2--3 years behind in different aspects (like this one). It's always better to raise problems and solve them than to ignore them!