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Pet peeve: It's kluge, NOT kludge... ;-)
Kluge not kludge
Posted Jul 5, 2007 15:40 UTC (Thu) by pr1268 (subscriber, #24648)
Actually, both spellings appear correct:
The word appears to have an unknown etymology, thus best explaining the ambiguous spelling.
Posted Jul 5, 2007 18:29 UTC (Thu) by cpeterso (guest, #305)
Whether you accept internet group think as a valid arbiter of spelling is another question.. :)
Posted Jul 6, 2007 14:41 UTC (Fri) by lowar (subscriber, #1642)
No surprise here: "kluge" is a valid word in German...
And another thing...
Posted Jul 5, 2007 15:43 UTC (Thu) by pr1268 (subscriber, #24648)
And another thing: Since when did Eric S. Raymond become an expert on geek terminology? Yes, I know he has some word histories on his site, but c'mon!
Posted Jul 5, 2007 17:10 UTC (Thu) by RobSeace (subscriber, #4435)
Posted Jul 6, 2007 1:27 UTC (Fri) by JoeBuck (subscriber, #2330)
Posted Jul 6, 2007 8:58 UTC (Fri) by bronson (subscriber, #4806)
It says: KLUGE (kloodj) alt. KLUDGE [from the German "kluge", clever] ...
So everybody is correct. :)
Posted Jul 6, 2007 10:36 UTC (Fri) by RobSeace (subscriber, #4435)
The original, while an interesting historical document that should certainly be preserved, is hardly as thorough or as interesting as the latter-day Jargon File/TNHD... (IMHO, the best parts are not even the dictionary, but stuff like "The Story of Mel" and "A Story about Magic"...) The complaint at that page (that the focus was changed from LISP/AI to Unix) hardly seems fair, given that's the way the WORLD was changing, as well... Hackerdom was changing with it, and so too should its record of known jargon...
I don't know what ESR did or didn't do in later versions of the Jargon File; maybe he did go overboard on some entries... But, don't write off the whole thing... It was really VERY good, at one point... Specifically, the version as published in book form as "The New Hackers Dictionary" was great, IMHO... And, quite frankly, I don't see anything too wrong/different with the newest version he has on his site now, either... Where exactly are all the supposed attrocities in it?? (In fact, it looks like they may not exist at all...)
Posted Jul 16, 2007 19:32 UTC (Mon) by Baylink (subscriber, #755)
a *joke*, Rob. You were supposed to laugh. :-)
The conclusion of the GPLv3 process
Posted Jul 5, 2007 22:49 UTC (Thu) by Tet (subscriber, #5433)
Posted Jul 5, 2007 23:06 UTC (Thu) by RobSeace (subscriber, #4435)
Or, do you mean the TMRC definition of "a crock that works"? If so, I tend to see it as more as the "clever trick to solve a nasty case" of kluge, instead... *shrug*
Posted Jul 6, 2007 0:43 UTC (Fri) by xoddam (subscriber, #2322)
That's not "kludge", that's "cludgie", with two syllables,
and with a well-known linguistic origin, even if no-one is
quite sure of the long-term etymology:
It may or may not be related to "kluge"/"kludge".
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