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Defending "open source"

The term "open source" has been controversial since its inception. It was coined initially in response to two problems - the alternative "free software" is simultaneously too vague and too precise. Too vague in that it is forever forcing certain members of the community to say "not free as in beer"; the real value of free software is not that you can get it without paying. Too precise in that some of those trying to sell free software into corporate environments would rather not bring along "politics" and the image of the more intransigent members of the free software foundation. So "open source" was supposed to capture the benefits of access to the source code without scaring the managers.

One might well argue that it has been somewhat successful in that goal - but not after some ups and downs. Richard Stallman almost immediately criticized the term, and hasn't stopped since. Near the end of 1998 there was a dispute between Software in the Public Interest and the Open Source Initiative over who owned the "open source" trademark. This disagreement became moot in June, 1999, when the OSI abandoned its attempt to register the trademark in the U.S. Plans were announced to create a separate "OSI Certified" mark, but one would search in vain for a way to use that mark now; the OSI never completed its attempt to register that term either.

Despite the lack of any sort of certification or enforcement body, the "open source" term has done nicely over the years. People generally seem to know what it means, and, certainly, our community has only grown stronger over that time. Recently, however, certain companies have started testing to see just how far they can push the term. The use of "badgeware" licenses was a warning shot (covered here last November); most of those licenses are not considered to be truly open source. More recently, Centric CRM has made it clear that it intends to play by different rules:

We truly believe in our product, team and product strategy. We have never misled or mis-communicated the license that our software is based on. Our current license is not OSI-approved, nor have we ever claimed it is. But it is open source.

This "open source" license contains these terms:

You may use, copy, modify, and make derivative works from the code for internal use only. You may not redistribute the code, and you may not sublicense copies or derivatives of the code, either as software or as a service.

Clearly, this language does not correspond with the idea most LWN readers will have of "open source." There is no freedom to fork - or even to share your improvements. By making this use of the term "open source," Centric CRM is clearly stating that the Open Source Initiative has no say over what the term means.

OSI president Michael Tiemann disagrees, and has stated his intent to start defending the term:

Open Source has grown up. Now it is time for us to stand up. I believe that when we do, the vendors who ignore our norms will suddenly recognize that they really do need to make a choice: to label their software correctly and honestly, or to license it with an OSI-approved license that matches their open source label.

The sad truth is that Centric CRM may have calculated correctly. OSI holds no trademarks which can be used to discourage unwanted uses of the "open source" term. In fact, the OSI has accomplished discouragingly little over the past several years. Nothing has been done to make the OSI a more community-oriented operation; the OSI board of directors elects itself and answers to nobody. About the only visible activities at the OSI are a multi-year process to try to reduce the number of approved licenses and the occasional approval of a new license. The OSI has not "gone wrong" - it has not started approving licenses that the community would disagree with. But it is widely seen as dormant and irrelevant to anything of interest that the community is doing.

This is the organization whose president would now like to rally the community to the defense of the "open source" term. Certainly Mr. Tiemann's cause would be easier if the OSI had paid more attention to the community all along. Perhaps defending "open source" is the way by which the OSI can win back some respect. It is a task which needs to be done; either abuse of the term needs to be curbed, or, as Don Marti suggests, it's time for a new one.

It is possible to argue that anybody who is taken in by a phony "open source" license deserves all that ensues; relying upon any piece of software without understanding the license is a known recipe for trouble. But if "open source" becomes associated with non-free licenses, it will no longer be a term which we will want associated with our software. If "open source" inherently cannot be defended, either legally or through community pressure, it is time we found that out and moved on. Aggressively defending "open source" is the right thing for the OSI to do at this time; it will be most interesting to see if the OSI is up to the task.


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Defending "open source"

Posted Jun 28, 2007 2:44 UTC (Thu) by rickmoen (subscriber, #6943) [Link]

Jon wrote:

Aggressively defending "open source" is the right thing for the OSI to do at this time; it will be most interesting to see if the OSI is up to the task.

I think it vital to point out that this is also something the rest of us can and should assist with.

Despite CentricCRM's doubletalk about how they've supposedly "never misled", the key fact to note is that that is exactly what they are doing to the public -- and, in particular, to their customers. We should take pains make this fact crystal clear in all relevant public forums, and keep on making it clear until they decide that the PR cost of gaining a reputation for deceit is too high, or alternatively until they become reconciled to being notorious as a bottom-feeder that doesn't act with integrity.

This is an approach that has repeatedly worked for quite a few years, as successive companies have popped onto OSI's license-discuss mailing list claiming to have the right to redefine "open source" to suit their business needs on account of OSI lacking a USPTO trademark registration covering the phrase (which is blatant non-sequitur reasoning), only to find that the never-ending PR debacle simply wasn't justifiable.

Don't just expect to leave this to OSI, which after all is said remains a small committee of busy unpaid Board members helping out in their spare time, with negligible budget and few resources of its own. Deterring shysters like CentricCRM from ripping off the public in our memespace is all of our business.

Rick Moen
rick@linuxmafia.com

Defending "open source"

Posted Jun 28, 2007 3:08 UTC (Thu) by bfields (subscriber, #19510) [Link]

This is an approach that has repeatedly worked for quite a few years, as successive companies have popped onto OSI's license-discuss mailing list claiming to have the right to redefine "open source" to suit their business needs on account of OSI lacking a USPTO trademark registration covering the phrase (which is blatant non-sequitur reasoning)

Yeah, I'm a little confused by the focus on the trademark issue, actually; nobody has a trademark on the word "free", but that doesn't necessarily mean my corner grocery can get away with calling their beer free if they're actually charging $12 the six-pack.

Defending "open source"

Posted Jun 28, 2007 7:49 UTC (Thu) by man_ls (subscriber, #15091) [Link]

Hmmm... maybe because that particular brand of beer is free as in speech? ;)

Defending "open source"

Posted Jun 28, 2007 22:43 UTC (Thu) by kamil (subscriber, #3802) [Link]

While I principally agree with you, allow me to point out that in the Netherlands there's a large chain of music stores called "Free Record Shop".

Obviously, they are not handing their inventory out for free, yet somehow they get away with that name. I could never quite figure it out.

Defending "open source"

Posted Jul 5, 2007 8:47 UTC (Thu) by quintesse (subscriber, #14569) [Link]

It's because you're making the same mistake as the people who think that "Free Software" means "Gratis Software", the "free" in "Free Record Shop" refers to "freedom" as you can read on this Dutch page about the history of the shop: http://www.freerecordshop.com/shop/holding/nl/geschiedeni...

Freedom because at the time that this shop was started the entire record-selling business in The Netherlands was neatly organized and regulated and basically nobody could sell records if they weren't a member of the kartel that decided who could sell what at which price.

"Open Source" indefensible

Posted Jun 28, 2007 5:19 UTC (Thu) by ncm (subscriber, #165) [Link]

Exactly this sort of a abuse was implicit in the choice of the name, and in the politics of its originators. They wanted a name that could not be imputed to imply freedom, and they found one, and promoted it. Why should anybody be surprised that somebody chose to take advantage of their deliberate choice?

Any court would agree that distributing readable source code along with your product makes it "open", by a very defensible definition: if it "breaks", you are equipped to fix it. In the old days consumer electronics always came with a schematic diagram, along with a list of patents covering the design. That reassured buyers that they could get their purchases repaired at the local shop, making the design "open", even though competitors were barred from reproducing it.

Any attempt to defend the term "open source" is doomed. We would be much better off choosing new name that is both more directly meaningful and symbolic of our goals and of the license terms we demand. Probably "Software Libre" would be more usable now than in the last millennium, and is both impervious to to misinterpretation, and eminently trademark-able. If it frightens some die-hard proprietarists, maybe that's good. They should be frightened, because they're about to be crushed. The people we're trying to reach aren't frightened any more.

"Open Source" indefensible

Posted Jun 28, 2007 7:47 UTC (Thu) by bronson (subscriber, #4806) [Link]

CentricCRM includes "schematics" (source code) with their product. If it breaks, those schematics allow me to fix it myself or hire a software repairman to fix it for me. I am not allowed to distribute CentricCRM, however, just like I can't legally use Zenith's schematics to start distributing knock-offs of one of their designs.

So, while it may be considered good behavior in the hardware world, I think we can agree that this is insufficient when it comes to software.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with your last point: the OSI has done an exceedingly poor job of defining open source in public (I'm one of the few people who have actually read "The Open Source Definition"). Given the huge number of people who interpret it differently, I'm afraid the term "open source" will go the same way as "open systems" did in the 90s... perverted by greedy companies into irrelevance.

"Open Source" indefensible

Posted Jun 28, 2007 8:10 UTC (Thu) by ncm (subscriber, #165) [Link]

"however, I am not allowed to distribute CentricCRM ... this is insufficient when it comes to software."

"We" can agree, but no court would. In particular, Centric are not engaging in misrepresentation in calling their software "open", unlike (e.g.) someone advertising "free beer" but charging for it. They would not be able to justify calling it Software Libre, though, if "we" (probably SPI) were to register for a trademark on the term. That registration event would also be an ideal opportunity to prune drastically the set of licenses that qualify for the term.

"Open Source" indefensible

Posted Jun 28, 2007 17:43 UTC (Thu) by bronson (subscriber, #4806) [Link]

I agree. Now we just need to come up with a new and catchy term that everybody can agree on.

Knowing the community, I'm not optimistic! :-)

"Open Source" indefensible: OSI aims and methods in conflict

Posted Jun 28, 2007 11:28 UTC (Thu) by copsewood (subscriber, #199) [Link]

I agree. There is a fundamental mismatch between the stated aim of OSI and their current methods. The stated aim of OSI is promoting software that meets a restatement of the FSF definitions of free software but in a business friendly manner (i.e. by avoiding ethical and political issues). But OSI getting themselves in a tangle concerning trademark registration of the term they wish to promote, and finding this term unenforceable is not businesslike. OSI, on belatedly discovering this, now turn to ethical persuasion, complaining that alleged misuse of the term "open source" is unethical and requesting community support. But requesting an ethically and community-based political campaign defeats the distinctiveness of the open source concept as a ethically neutral and politics-free promotional tool in the first place.

I therefore think this is time for a rethink about terms and definitions, and to consider whether or not the "open-source" term is worth the cost of trying to defend it. Those who would ask us to consider doing so should not imagine the value of the time and effort they are suggesting should be taken up by this project within the free software community in responding to their request for community pressure to be brought to bear adversely against alleged misusers of the "open source" term, to be free as in beer.

Taking out a trademark on a new term which captures the ethical and the business advantages of the FSF free software definitions could be a better way forward. So perhaps it is time to ditch "open source" in favour of the term "software libre" for this purpose. Once this is trademarked and the trademark held by an organisation in good standing, we then have the opportunity to promote this as something new, combining the sense of freedom with the practical and commercial benefits relating to a term that can be applied to FSF definition conforming products, and which can be legally enforced against fakes.

"Open Source" indefensible? Hardly.

Posted Jun 28, 2007 16:29 UTC (Thu) by rickmoen (subscriber, #6943) [Link]

Nathan, you know that I esteem you highly, but I have to question much of your logic, here. The fact that the word "open" by itself has a long history of being abused to the point of being functionally meaningless (e.g., in the 1970s/80s standards wars among proprietary Unix companies) in no way dictates "open source" being doomed to meaninglessness in the software context -- any more than the inherent vagueness of the term "record" dooms the related term "phonograph record" to meaninglessness.

Any attempt to defend the term "open source" is doomed.

You state this, but don't even attempt to say why. I find this odd. Moreover, in my experience, it's been simply not so, over a period of many years.

Consider, in fact, CentricCRM. In the past few days, aware of the burgeoning PR problem they've set themselves up for, they've tasked a public relations firm with arranging briefings of reporters with executive vice-president Michael Harvey about how, despite recent controversy, they're genuine open source players because their product "Centric Team Elements v. 0.9" is being released under OSL 3.0.

Now, that's really good news, despite a bit of sleight-of-hand in the short run. The latter is because Centric Team Elements isn't (yet?) the firm's flagship product -- Centric CRM 4.1 is, and it remains under a highly proprietary (no redistribution) licence, a licence that continues to be deceptively portrayed on the company's Web site as "open source". This is good news anyway, because (1) it shows that the firm is aware of, and sensitive to, the PR debacle they've created for themselves, and (2) they seem to be at least starting to fix it. (Maybe they're intending to phase this apparently new product in, as the replacement flagship product.)

My point is that, even in this most egregiously cheeky of violation cases, the term "open source" is proving to be defensible. You say it can't be; I say it already is, and has been all along.

Rick Moen
rick@linuxmafia.com

"Open Source" indefensible? Hardly.

Posted Jun 28, 2007 19:48 UTC (Thu) by ncm (subscriber, #165) [Link]

You state this, but don't even attempt to say why.

We all know the trademark registration attempt failed. I already explained why a business has no reason to fear being accused of misrepresentation for using the term in ways the OSI hasn't blessed. Therefore, it is not just "open" that is vague the point of meaningless: "open source" has been delared officially indefensible, legally. It may be, as you suggest, that Centric has reason to want to maintain good relations with the Free Software community and with defenders of the "open source" non-trademark, and can be expected to come around. That is not true of hundreds of other, similar vendors.

Once one or a few companies with no need for good relations with us begin "mis"-using the term in their business communications, there will be nothing to stop the rest. They will say, correctly, that their customers are happy with their implementation of their definition. Once a few other vendors do, Microsoft may happily join in, announcing that their "Shared Source" scheme qualifies for the term too.

At the time "open source" was coined, many business people were afraid of Free Software. Nowadays, MS takes out double-page ads claiming that their software is as fast, as reliable, or as secure, as ours. There's no need for us to mince around any more.

We have all seen what happened to "open systems": everybody bemoaned the dilution of the term, but nothing could (legally) be done about it, and community approbation had no ultimate effect. The sooner we leave the "open source" swamp for firmer ground, the better it will be for Free Software, and (should it catch) for "Software Libre(TM)". The writing is on the wall. The only question is, will we wait until the damage has been done and try to react, or will we act now to prevent the damage?

"Open Source" indefensible? Hardly.

Posted Jun 28, 2007 21:23 UTC (Thu) by rickmoen (subscriber, #6943) [Link]

Nathan wrote:

I already explained why a business has no reason to fear being accused of misrepresentation for using the term in ways the OSI hasn't blessed.

With respect: No, you did not.

You said the founders' omission of an explicit goal of freedom made it inevitable that abusers would try to misappropriate the term. I'm not sure I agree on any such causal connection -- but even if one agrees that abusers will be motivated to try, that doesn't establish that they will succeed (that they were "have no reason to fear being accused of misrepresentation").

Moreover, as I've pointed out and cited one of many possible examples to illustrate my case, facts on the ground confirm that they do fear being accused of misrepresentation: Over time, they find that the PR drawbacks tend to outweigh any gains with customers. (I certainly cannot say that such will always be true. However, the longer we of the software using public insist on the word's real meaning, the more squirrely people who violate that understanding will look to fair observers.)

Once one or a few companies with no need for good relations with us begin "mis"-using the term in their business communications, there will be nothing to stop the rest.

With respect: No. If that were the case, it would have happened years ago. You act like this is somehow a new problem: It's not. We've been through cycles of businesses infringing and retreating on this matter, repeatedly, for most of the past nine years.

Even the "badgeware" ("Exhibit B") Web 2.0/ASP firms are gradually backing down and are either switching to genuine open source (Alfresco and Compiere) or are making impressive efforts to change their substantive licence terms to reasonably accomodate licence critics from the community (MuleSource, Medsphere).

At the time "open source" was coined, many business people were afraid of Free Software. Nowadays, MS takes out double-page ads claiming that their software is as fast, as reliable, or as secure, as ours. There's no need for us to mince around any more.

Clearly you (still) don't like the term "open source", and I respect that. But your arguments against it being defensible simply don't make logical sense.

We have all seen what happened to "open systems":

Yes, we did. But the question is, which one of us remembers that historical episode more clearly? The way I remember it, "open systems" was never more than a vague marketing term approximating the concept of binary interoperability and published protocol standards. Nobody (let alone an industry-neutral foundation like OSI) established it ab initio as a formally defined concept with a standard of identity; it was in essence nothing more than brochureware ammunition for the consortia wars between various proprietary Unix companies. It started out meaning almost nothing; it ended up exactly the same.

If you don't see the difference, I think you need to look a little closer.

Rick Moen
rick@linuxmafia.com

"Open Source" indefensible.

Posted Jun 28, 2007 22:47 UTC (Thu) by ncm (subscriber, #165) [Link]

Vendors' use of "open source" to describe their proprietary software is not misappropriation, in any sense. They cannot misappropriate a term that is in the public domain, so they have no need to "try"; they just use it. Since the term is legally undefined, claiming their products qualify for it is not misrepresentation. It's just ordinary business buzzword BS. Accusations of "misappropriation" or "misrepresentation" amount to no more than bluster.

I think Rick is confusing, here, legal consequences with (hoped-for) P.R. consequences. Many vendors have no reason to fear any such P.R. consequences, and many actually stand to benefit from them. (One may present any number of examples of companies that do care without contradicting the previous statement.) Some vendors even game the P.R., first claiming to offer "open source", then defying OSI criticism, and then "coming to an agreement" with OSI, getting free publicity each time, all with no fear of commercial or legal consequences. OSI will always be on the defensive with "open source", because of its nonexistent legal position, and always readily gamed.

"Open Source" indefensible? Still no.

Posted Jun 29, 2007 1:42 UTC (Fri) by rickmoen (subscriber, #6943) [Link]

Nathan wrote:

Vendors' use of "open source" to describe their proprietary software is not misappropriation, in any sense.

Again, with respect: No. Absolutely false. OSI has an overwhelmingly clear moral and historical claim to being continuously the custodian of the definition of "open source" in the software context, ever since having invented and promoted that concept and (very explicit) definition.

(To repeat a point I made on another recent LWN feedback, once on OSI license-discuss, a detail-freak attempted through Herculean research efforts to challenge the latter fact using the then newly restored DejaNews^WGoogle Groups archive. He eventually found, if memory serves, exactly two brief, one-off coinages of the term that arguably, maybe, briefly anticipated OSI's by a small margin -- but those persons never went anywhere with their arguable brushes against the concept, while OSI has continuously promoted and carefully defined it formally, and made it famous.)

Attempting to recast this discussion into terms of what vendors can get away with legally completely misses the point. I'm really very surprised I have to point this out, especially since I've said it before on LWN, very recently -- and doubt greatly that any legitimate controversy can be said to exist.

I think Rick is confusing, here, legal consequences with (hoped-for) P.R. consequences.

No, sir, I most certainly am not, and I cannot fathom why you would think so.

Many vendors have no reason to fear any such P.R. consequences....

Nine years of experience in this area, so far, have failed to support your assertion. Again, I have already pointed this out, supra.

OSI will always be on the defensive with "open source"....

If you will please carefully read my explanation to "smoogen" of some of the legal realities of trademark registration (see in particular point #2 and the link to the page on trademark law at Harvard Law), you will realise that any attempt to register trademark based on a general concept rather than a defined brand identity is going to be resisted by USPTO and probably rejected because it will be classified as a "descriptive" mark without the required "secondary meanings" needed for that sub-category.

But, more fundamentally, your implicit assumption that a concept that cannot be enforced through lawsuits for trademark violation is hopeless -- is plainly incorrect. Again, I point to the long (nine-year) history of exactly the opposite occurring, concerning "open source"

Some vendors even game the P.R....

Maybe -- but all of the incidents I've seen (and I think I've seen pretty much all of them) strike me as having the flavour of stepwise improvisation following initial inadvertancy.

Rick Moen
rick@linuxmafia.com

"Open Source" indefensible? Still no.

Posted Jun 29, 2007 1:57 UTC (Fri) by JoeBuck (subscriber, #2330) [Link]

Besides, there's another issue that goes beyond trademark law: fraud.

If a term is widely interpreted as meaning one thing, and a product is sold using the term to mean something completely different, it's false advertising, whether or not the term is trademarked.

"Open Source" indefensible.

Posted Jun 29, 2007 2:52 UTC (Fri) by ncm (subscriber, #165) [Link]

"Accusations of "misappropriation" or "misrepresentation" amount to no more than bluster.

Likewise, "fraud", same reason.

"Open Source" perfectly defensible

Posted Jul 10, 2007 14:17 UTC (Tue) by pdundas (subscriber, #15203) [Link]

Accusations of misrepresentation and fraud, if well founded, are certainly not mere bluster. The criminal law and advertising regulators in various jurisdictions are certainly be able to take an interest, if a company seems to be making untrue claims about their products.

And if the term "Open Source" has a clear and generally accepted (within the trade) meaning - and I believe it does - then unfounded claims to be "Open Source" do amount to fraud or false advertising, and can have legal consequences.

The fact that the term could not be trademarked because it was "descriptive" is no indication that the descriptive meaning is not clear or generally accepted.

"Open Source" indefensible?

Posted Jun 29, 2007 18:17 UTC (Fri) by giraffedata (subscriber, #1954) [Link]

"open source" has been delared officially indefensible, legally.

It looks like you're referring to the USPTO's refusal to register it as a trademark. But that's very different, largely opposite, of saying you can't stop anyone for using the term for anything.

That says you can't arbitrarily stop someone from calling a product "open source," but you can certainly stop someone for using it in a way inconsistent with the common meaning of the term. Refusing trademark registration implies the term has a common meaning.

Various laws other than trademark control advertising a product as something it isn't.

So that leaves the question of what the common meaning of "open source" is, which I won't comment on because my point is just that the USPTO's refusal doesn't make the term indefensible.

Defending "open source"

Posted Jun 28, 2007 14:39 UTC (Thu) by mheily (guest, #27123) [Link]

This is a great idea. While we're at it, we should also vigorously defend the term "hacker" to mean nothing more than "a skilled software tinkerer", and make sure people refer to their Ubuntu or Red Hat systems as running "GNU/Linux" instead of just "Linux". If we cannot force everyone to agree with RMS and ESR's political agenda, the linguistic terrorists will win.

Defending "open source"

Posted Jun 28, 2007 22:37 UTC (Thu) by liljencrantz (subscriber, #28458) [Link]

No no no. A hacker is someone who carves furniture using an axe. Or at least that was the meaning of the word until some no good computer kids stole the word. Speaking of which, the word computer used to mean a person whose job it is to calculate mathematical expressions like sums, multiplicatins and logarithms. Then all the computers where replaced with ugly, menacing machines, that even canibalized the name of the profession they destroyed.

As society changes so does the meaning of the words. The word gay does not mean the same thing it used to, either. The suffix 'gate' was not always something that was used to imply scandal, it actually used to imply some form of door or portal.

Language is weird.

Defending "open source"

Posted Jun 29, 2007 6:11 UTC (Fri) by njs (subscriber, #40338) [Link]

Language is very weird. However, what we have here is not the normal drift of meaning that happens over time in a speech community, but some company exec attempting to bald-facedly twist the language in order to mislead his customers and exploit the reputation that *we've* built up. Let's not get so distracted by the philosophizing we forget that. (This last directed at many of the commentators on this post, not just you.)

Defending "open source"

Posted Jun 28, 2007 17:41 UTC (Thu) by cjb (guest, #40354) [Link]

> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 01:40:19 -0700
> From: rms@santafe.edu (Richard Stallman)
> Subject: It's Still Free Software

Huh, I didn't realise that RMS was associated with Sante Fe/not associated with MIT at one point. What's the story there?

Defending "open source"

Posted Jun 28, 2007 18:55 UTC (Thu) by smoogen (subscriber, #97) [Link]

My memory is foggy from age.. and I was just leaving being one of the many volunteer sysadmin for FSF..

I am thinking that this was when RMS was travelling and couldnt post from MIT.EDU at that time. MIT had had several hack problems that had used the FSF computers as transit points, and had cut off access for a bit. This meant when RMS was away from MIT he needed to use a local account.

Defending "open source"

Posted Jun 28, 2007 18:58 UTC (Thu) by cjb (guest, #40354) [Link]

Makes sense. Thanks!

Defending "open source"

Posted Jun 28, 2007 18:57 UTC (Thu) by smoogen (subscriber, #97) [Link]

One wonders if someone could trademark the term Libre Software better than Open and use that. Though in many ways, it might be too late as Open is in the popular lexicon

Defending "open source"

Posted Jun 28, 2007 21:02 UTC (Thu) by rickmoen (subscriber, #6943) [Link]

smoogen:

Some lessons from the original Software in the Public Interest (SPI) application for a trademark on "open source" in February 1998:

1. SPI applied for a trademark over an "open source" mark as applied to "licenses". This was a mistake (albeit a subtle one), because a trademark (using the strict USPTO sense of the term) must be applied to goods in interstate commerce. Because licences aren't goods, a trademark was the wrong thing to ask for. SPI should have asked for a certification mark. This lead the trademark examiner to object on precisely those grounds, and SPI never followed up.

2. Trademarks, service marks, and certification marks must not merely be used as vaguely descriptive terms, in order to meet USPTO standards, but must be consistently applied as a precise standard of brand identity. By the time there was any opportunity to refile the application as a certification mark application (instead of a trademark), the term was already being used imprecisely by many parties, and SPI as would-be mark owner wasn't doing anything to dissuade them. For more on this matter, see: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/metaschool/fisher/domain/tm.htm#3

(I'm not speaking for anyone else; I'm just an interested observer.)

Rick Moen
rick@linuxmafia.com

Defending "open source"

Posted Jun 29, 2007 7:10 UTC (Fri) by MKallas (guest, #38539) [Link]

There's no point in trying to defend the term "open source". It was flawed from the beginning by ignoring that business has always political and ethical aspects. Thus, the term "Free Software" is precisely what is needed.
Oh, and don't waste your time creating new words like "Software Libre", "F[L]OSS" etc.

This happens to the term "free software" in Brazil

Posted Jun 29, 2007 13:30 UTC (Fri) by kov (subscriber, #7423) [Link]

Every once in a while I see someone talking about their "Software Livre" and when I check it out, it's nothing of that sort. There are even people who say that they have the right to distort the concept: http://trends.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/11/27/17562....

Defending "open source"

Posted Jul 1, 2007 13:34 UTC (Sun) by jengelh (subscriber, #33263) [Link]

Hey, the VMware kernel modules are also open-source. Really, this term means more like "you can look at the source code". It is a start. (Just imagine how many bugs could be shaken out of the nvidia crap if it was "open". And don't worry, there would also be a "free" thing sooner or later.)
Most users buy any word. Just like their on-board raid. Fakeraid.

Defending "open source"

Posted Jul 2, 2007 17:49 UTC (Mon) by rickmoen (subscriber, #6943) [Link]

jengelh wrote:

Hey, the VMware kernel modules are also open-source. Really, this term means more like "you can look at the source code".

No, that's absolutely not open source, merely viewable source. Just another proprietary codebase that is doomed to become unmaintainable once the copyright owner loses interest. Open source aka free-software code includes source code provided with the right to fork and to independently maintain/redistribute that code or derivatives, and to use such code or derivatives for any purpose without fee.

Rick Moen

Defending "open source"

Posted Jul 2, 2007 17:55 UTC (Mon) by jengelh (subscriber, #33263) [Link]

Perhaps I should have put quotes around "open-source", to give it about the same meaning as it has in the context of CentricCRM.

Defending "open source"

Posted Jul 10, 2007 18:02 UTC (Tue) by gpr (guest, #46193) [Link]

I don't rely on any term, including "open source" and "free software", to
determine whether a license provides the freedom to run, copy, distribute,
study, change and improve the software. I look for the license in
http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/. There is also
http://www.opensource.org/licenses/alphabetical. Perhaps we should be
suggesting this rather than defending terms.

Defending "open source"

Posted Jul 11, 2007 19:27 UTC (Wed) by rmunn (guest, #40618) [Link]

I've found myself using the term "community-owned software" recently when trying to explain the Open Source concept to people. It's owned by the people who contribute to it -- and, to a lesser degree, by the people who use it as well. The term might need some refinement, but it seems to work fairly well so far -- people seem to Get It when I use that term.

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