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Cryptome site shut down
Cryptome.org has long been a place to find information which has been
suppressed elsewhere. Now, it seems, Cryptome has been shut down by its
ISP, Verio, which has provided not solid reasons for the disconnection.
The shutdown
notice can still be found in Google's cache, for now.
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Cryptome site shut down Posted Apr 29, 2007 23:28 UTC (Sun) by fche (guest, #33048) [Link] The site is still up (until early May at least), just slashdotted.
Cryptome site shut down Posted Apr 29, 2007 23:29 UTC (Sun) by djabsolut (guest, #12799) [Link] The wayback machine helps: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://Cryptome.org
Cryptome site shut down Posted Apr 30, 2007 0:08 UTC (Mon) by MisterIO (subscriber, #36192) [Link] I've just looked at the site and I'm still asking myself why this info has been posted here!What's there that is relevant to Linux,or any other unixes,or even other OSes or to programming in general?I can't find any algorithm, nor any kind of codes.Well maybe I just haven't looked deep enough.
Cryptome site shut down Posted Apr 30, 2007 1:21 UTC (Mon) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link] It's here because freedom matters. The next time you use any sort of cryptographic software on your Linux system, you can thank the guy behind this site (along with many others).
Cryptome site shut down Posted Apr 30, 2007 1:41 UTC (Mon) by nlucas (subscriber, #33793) [Link] I looked at the cached home page to see what the page was about and all I could see was that it contained documents that were secret until someone posted them on the net.
Now, I believe you when you say we should all thank the site owner, but I have never heard of the site before and have no idea of what that means.
If I would get at that page by mistake from some "feeling lucky" search, I would probably just leave thinking it was like some of those paranoid "we never landed on the moon" or "i was abducted by aliens" sites.
P.S.- Ok, maybe the "we never landed on the moon" is not on the same league ;-)
Cryptome site shut down Posted Apr 30, 2007 2:41 UTC (Mon) by bvdm (guest, #42755) [Link] Bear in mind that Cryptome is a very well known site to most geeks and that your experience may be in the minority.
Cryptome site shut down Posted Apr 30, 2007 8:57 UTC (Mon) by nlucas (subscriber, #33793) [Link] Bear in mind there are geeks all over the world and not all share the same common grounds (or even interests).
Cryptome site shut down Posted Apr 30, 2007 10:40 UTC (Mon) by bvdm (guest, #42755) [Link] I'm a South African writing from Singapore.. :)
Cryptome is great! Posted Apr 30, 2007 9:30 UTC (Mon) by fyodor (guest, #3481) [Link] Cryptome is an extremely valuable site that John Young has been maintaining as a public service for many years. Learn more on Wikipedia (Cryptome, John Young).What is more hideous is that I'm staring at a VERIO advertisement on the left sidebar of LWN while I write this. If you click on the link, it'll probably cost them 50 cents. It takes you to a Verio page headed "Our open source roots run deep". Fuck VERIO! I can empathize with John, as my ex-domain registrar GoDaddy suspended my SecLists.Org security mailing list archive a couple months ago. In response, I created NoDaddy.Com. I hope Verio responds to the backlash by apologizing profusely and agreeing to keep his site active, or I hope John finds a better provider and restores this valuable resource to the web.
Cryptome is great! Posted Apr 30, 2007 12:51 UTC (Mon) by jebba (✭ supporter ✭, #4439) [Link] "What is more hideous is that I'm staring at a VERIO advertisement on the left sidebar of LWN while I write this. If you click on the link, it'll probably cost them 50 cents. It takes you to a Verio page headed "Our open source roots run deep". Fuck VERIO!"
LWN always has Rackspace links too. Rackspace has no problem outright yanking servers, cloning the drives, and handing them over to the govt!
-Jeff
Cryptome site shut down Posted Apr 30, 2007 3:28 UTC (Mon) by tcoppi (guest, #44423) [Link] Thank you for recognizing this. Not everything needs to be directly related to current linux-happenings for it to be lwn-worthy.
Cryptome site shut down Posted Apr 30, 2007 4:57 UTC (Mon) by tetromino (subscriber, #33846) [Link] > The next time you use any sort of cryptographic software on your Linux system, you can thank the guy behind this site
Can you please provide more information? I've never heard of cryptome.org or John Young before reading this newspost. After a brief look at a cryptome.org mirror, it appears to me that at least for the past few months, John Young mainly posted documents related to espionage, surveillance, the Bush administration, and the "war on terror". Very interesting, but not exactly Linux-related. The only crypto-related document I noticed was the GSM encryption specification.
However, maybe in the past John Young really was instrumental in bringing hard cryptography to the open source world. As I said, this is the first time I've heard of him, so I have no way to judge his contributions.
So does anyone know specifically how/whether he helped free software?
Cryptome site shut down Posted Apr 30, 2007 9:15 UTC (Mon) by HalfMoon (guest, #3211) [Link] So does anyone know specifically how/whether he helped free software? By managing a major clearinghouse for information about the free/libre application of software algorithms that Certain Government Agencies have traditionally wanted to quash. Which helps the liberty goals of Free Software immensely, by making sure that information needed by coders is available and by making sure that certain discussions can actually happen. Sure, not everything on cryptome is of immediate pressing importance, and it's been quite a few years since I read it regularly. But every topic there is related to liberty, and most of them relate to the broader questions of exactly what a "free software" system needs to support and what it needs to defend against. Not all the threats are from Microsoft. Not every contribution is technical in the sense of code or algorithm, or even immediate product application.
Cryptome site shut down Posted May 1, 2007 3:45 UTC (Tue) by MisterIO (subscriber, #36192) [Link] The only cryptography related article I can find on that site is a link to an article posted on a university site.All the other articles seems some kind of stolen political-like documents.Do you want to know the name of a site that I miss?Phrack!
Cryptome site shut down Posted Apr 30, 2007 4:05 UTC (Mon) by ahoogerhuis (subscriber, #4041) [Link] You sound like you may be a minority here. Being in the geek world and not have at least read Cryptomnicon, if not interacted with the actual site, is indeed rare. Maybe we all should complain why you post here as you have little to do with the geek side of the net. ;)
(For the irony-impaired, the ones that didn't grow up with english humour, please note that this is all said in a very tounge-in-cheek manner)
-A
Cryptome site shut down Posted Apr 30, 2007 9:34 UTC (Mon) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link] you may be surprised how late that 'minority' is. I also never heard of the site before
Cryptome site shut down Posted May 1, 2007 3:58 UTC (Tue) by tom_a (guest, #44927) [Link] Neither had I but I'm glad I did. Thanks LWN for bringing this up.
Cryptome site shut down Posted May 1, 2007 13:04 UTC (Tue) by hensema (guest, #980) [Link] Neither. And looking at the mirror linked elsewehere in this thread, I'm not missing out on anything. It's just a collection of unrelated uninteresting articles which can be found on any random extreme left wing site on the net.
Cryptome site shut down Posted May 3, 2007 16:15 UTC (Thu) by lysse (guest, #3190) [Link] Yes, because those nasty socialists don't *deserve* due process.
Cryptome site shut down Posted Apr 30, 2007 4:04 UTC (Mon) by dmarti (subscriber, #11625) [Link] Postal mail offer -- order and pass it on...
A Cryptome DVD is offered by Cryptome. Donate $25 for a DVD of the Cryptome 10+-years archives of 39,000 files from June 1996 to December 2006 (~4.1 GB). Click Paypal or mail check/MO made out to John Young, 251 West 89th Street, New York, NY 10024. Archives include all files of cryptome.org, cryptome2.org, jya.com, cartome.org, eyeball-series.org and iraq-kill-maim.org. Cryptome offers with the Cryptome DVD an INSCOM DVD of about 18,000 pages of counter-intelligence dossiers declassified by the US Army Information and Security Command, dating from 1945 to 1985. No additional contribution required -- $25 for both. The DVDs will be sent anywhere worldwide without extra cost.
Cryptome site shut down Posted Apr 30, 2007 8:05 UTC (Mon) by beranger (guest, #39167) [Link] You morons, there is a mirror: http://cryptome.sabotage.org/
Cryptome site shut down Posted Apr 30, 2007 14:35 UTC (Mon) by jamesh (subscriber, #1159) [Link] First of all, please try to be civil.
Second, while a mirror is useful it is only a snapshot of the site. If the original has been shut down then there won't be any more updates (depending on the nature of the complaint, it might be more difficult than just finding a new hosting provider). Some people think this is a big deal.
Cryptome site shut down Posted May 1, 2007 5:27 UTC (Tue) by amacater (subscriber, #790) [Link] "You morons there is a mirror" fails to deal with an obvious fact: if I'mmirroring a master site and the site is obliged to remove its content - most mirror scripts will faithfully mirror - and delete the site :( [if I as the admin. don't actively intervene to back it up :( Some mirrors exist to provide resiliency, some to mirror controversial content or things which ought to be out there. In a world where sanctions are active, it's easy to be one of n mirrors and to plead resiliency: it's going to be harder to justify being the last mirror standing.
Cryptome site moved Posted May 5, 2007 3:49 UTC (Sat) by rickmoen (subscriber, #6943) [Link] New development: John Young has moved cryptome.org away from Veriohosting.com to new hosting at InQuent, LLC, a subsidiary of Network Solutions: Cryptome is now on a new ISP, Network Solutions, another US giant like Verio, closely linked to the authorities. We'll see if it can take the heat or cave. We intend to test all the giants if necessary to see what is up with them and the censors: if one buckles we'll sign up with another. And air the results. Meanwhile the archives are being distributed worldwide by other means. Correspondent "A" on May 1 speculated to cryptome about the Verio shutdown: I couldn't help but notice that Verio issued the shutdown notice on the same day that you posted the first information from the Coast Guard Deepwater program debacle. Is is possible that either the Coast Guard or Lockheed is behind shutting you down? Young agrees: A, you hit the nail on the head. The Deepwater expose, and attempts to conceal it, point to the prime suspect for the shutdown. Verio would not buckle for anything less, based on past practice, and are probably hoping the shutdown would be seen for what it really is: they've been ordered not to disclose anything which would call attention to the Deepwater material and its threat to national security. The congressional folks may have more to demand answers about suppressing Deepwater: subpoena Verio, show the defense cartel's dirty fighting is getting dirtier. The archived Deepwater material will be posted shortly. Young had posted internal, non-classified documents from within the Coast Guard and other sources (including Congressional hearings) revealing that the $24 billion "Deepwater" program (initiated in the 1990s to replace the Coast Guard's fleet of cutters, small surface craft, and aircraft[1]) had been an utter failure and had had also involved outright contractor fraud on the part of Lockheed. One huge problem: Management of the entire process had been pretty much 100% entrusted to Lockheed and Northrop Grumman -- an error that was corrected only on April 17, after five years of failure. Young comments: "A major media outlet is expected to run a story on Deepwater in a few days. And 60 Minutes will cover the scandal on 13 May." Related coverage: http://economist.com/world/na/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9046545 Some people had speculated that Verio had been served with a National Security Letter (NSL) ordering it to shut off cryptome.org. That is not possible per the enabling legislation for NSLs, whose only power is to compel compliance with administrative subpoenas from the Director of the FBI (or heads of certain other Federal agencies, notably Homeland Security) for records and data concerning named individuals, and forbid the recipient from mentioning the NSL to anyone other than recipient's legal staff and to others whose help in complying with them is necessary. There is absolutely no power in Federal law for NSLs to compel any other type of action. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_Deepwater_System_Program Rick Moen
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