Posted Mar 17, 2007 15:57 UTC (Sat) by landley
In reply to: GNU/Busybox ?!?
Parent article: The road to freedom in the embedded world
> Dont know about Busybox to say anything about that matter.
I do. I maintained the thing long enough to put out releases 1.01 to
1.2.2. It's very much NOT a gnu project, and it's staying GPLv2 only and
not drinking the v3 kool-aid.
What got me into BusyBox development in the first place (and what I'm back
working on now) is a Linux distro that (when I'm done) won't have any GNU
software in it: http://landley.net/code/firmware
> By that same token. We should stop calling any Linux based
> system "Linux" because Linux kernel is a smaller and smaller part "than
> they were years ago, and this trend continues ..."
You're responding to an article about the embedded space where the kernel
is sometimes more than HALF of the total system firmware, and you can say
that with a straight face?
The GNU/Linux/Dammit thing is purely Richard Stallman's ego. Linus didn't
name Linux (back in 1991 he tried to call it Freax) and he's never
objected to names like "Knoppix" which have no slash. Linus remains
relevant because he does good work every day, and Stallman's been
marginalized because he hasn't done anything new for 15 years. (GPLv3
finally got unstuck when Stallman handed it off to Eben Moglen.)
> Nope. Usually first comers get disproportionately far greater name
> recognition than others, and giving GNU and Linux equal name recognition
> seems correct to me.
The first comer here would be "Unix", and they do get plenty of name
recognition, thanks. And the first complete reimplementation of Unix
(BSD, again predating the GNU manifesto) still has several forks active
The big advance in open development in 1984 was the invention of the
program "patch", which was done by Larry Wall (who went on to invent
Perl). What Stallman had was an FTP site donated by MIT, back when that
was hard to get, so lots of people like Wall signed up to get distribution
on ftp://athena.ai.mit.edu. Stallman claimed credit for this code but he
had nothing to do with it, he was running the sourceforge of his day.
When FTP space became easier to get (cdrom.com and sunsite were both
pretty active by the early 90's) the GNU project faded into well-deserved
obscurity because they couldn't browbeat people into putting up with
Stallman as a condition of getting distribution for their code anymore.
Linux had four FTP sites its first year without needing to sign copyrights
over to the FSF.
The GPLv2 is highly cool, but it's not code. You can't run it. The
important projects the FSF once maintained all stagnated and forked,
gcc->egcs (and the name was handed over with gcc 2.95), glibc->glibc2 (and
Ulrich Drepper who forked it and still maintains the fork was kinda pissed
when the FSF tried to muscle back in on it:
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