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Kernel page index?Kernel page index?Posted Feb 1, 2007 3:55 UTC (Thu) by jbw (guest, #5689)Parent article: An LWN reader survey
What do you mean by "Kernel page index"? I didn't understand that question.
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Kernel page index? Posted Feb 1, 2007 3:56 UTC (Thu) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link] We mean this kernel page index.
Kernel page index? Posted Feb 1, 2007 4:05 UTC (Thu) by proski (subscriber, #104) [Link] Wow! There are several articles I'm going to read right away. How come I didn't know about it? I see it now. It's the "kernel" link on top. Too bad many sites put advertising banners there, so many seasoned web surfers have a blind spot right on top of the page.Many kernel articles in the weekly kernel edition are quite interesting, but only if one has to deal with the topic in question. If I'm not dealing with block I/O right now, why should I read a long technical article about it? Yet the index will always have something relevant to the code I'm working on now.
Kernel page index? Posted Feb 1, 2007 4:15 UTC (Thu) by midg3t (subscriber, #30998) [Link]
I didn't know the page existed either, but I always avoided reading the links at the top of the page because there's no efficient way to see them all. The 5x3 grid is space-efficient, but not reading-efficient. Perhaps those links could be put in the left sidebar rather than at the top.
Kernel page index? Posted Feb 1, 2007 8:51 UTC (Thu) by aschwinm (subscriber, #33817) [Link] I didn't know about this page also, it's very usefull as I see it now.
Best regards from the Netherlands,
Aschwin Marsman
Kernel page index? Posted Feb 1, 2007 10:15 UTC (Thu) by DG (subscriber, #16978) [Link] ditto; i hadn't really noticed those links before (kernel/security/distributions). They need seperating out from e.g. Subscriptions, Advertise, Write for LWN, Contact us etc etc.
Kernel page index? Posted Feb 1, 2007 10:26 UTC (Thu) by Felix.Braun (subscriber, #3032) [Link] Usually I refrain from posting mere "me too" messages. But this one seems to be an indicator that one of LWN's valuable (and probably time-consuming) features has gone under-noticed...
Kernel page index? Posted Feb 1, 2007 13:32 UTC (Thu) by rakoenig (subscriber, #29855) [Link] 100% ACK.
I got also very much surpised seeing this jewel of information on my monitor.
This is some issue that urgently needs to be addressed.
Kernel page index? Posted Feb 1, 2007 19:19 UTC (Thu) by mikov (subscriber, #33179) [Link] Me too :-)
Kernel page index? Posted Feb 3, 2007 22:40 UTC (Sat) by nedrichards (guest, #23295) [Link] This chorus of 'I didn't know this amazing thing existed' seems to suggest that some kind of Interaction Design/Information Architecture/Look and Feel refresh may be handy.
Kernel page index? Posted Feb 4, 2007 4:14 UTC (Sun) by hugh (guest, #928) [Link] I second the wow's and me-too's. I recently spent quite a while cursing the search enginge looking for one of Valerie Henson's KHB articles. I think that something needs to be done to make this valuable resource more visible.
Kernel page index? Posted Feb 1, 2007 13:40 UTC (Thu) by goodgnews (guest, #31551) [Link] Me too! I didnt know about this page either. I would suggest redoing the navigation and separate things into catagories with labels. To be honest, i've always ignored those top menu items cause i couldnt make and sense of them.
Example:
Search: [....Search box...]
Content
Contact
Kernel page index? Posted Feb 2, 2007 1:54 UTC (Fri) by markcox (guest, #29577) [Link] i have to add another 'me too', and suggest that you move the options to the bottom of the sidebar, and trim them down. e.g. 'contact us' and 'write for lwn' could be merged. 'home' could be removed because most ppl know that clicking the logo means home. etc.
i would also like to mention elsewhere in this thread the 'grumpy editor' page was discussed, i have to admit that i often skim these as sometimes the article may cover a topic i'm not interested in, and if the article goes for several weeks, i feel disappointed, i think the non-tech articles (like about email clients) should not span across issues.
the third thing i want to address is from an increasing no's of subscribers point of view, it isn't us (the subscribers) you should be asking, it is the non-subscribers, psychologically, if we subscribers think that this years lwn is not as good as last years, we will probably still re-subscribe, so i think it's short sighted to exclude non-subscribers (although, i think you should have a 'different' survey for them).
and, thanks for the good work, i always enjoy reading lwn.
Kernel page index? Posted Feb 5, 2007 18:34 UTC (Mon) by amarjan (guest, #25108) [Link] Even simply changing the background colour of the top navigation bar would be a great start. I've always thought that on LWN, navigation == salmon background. That dead grey background on the top just disappears into the page like a slot for a blocked banner ad; I never even noticed it!
Kernel page index? Posted Feb 1, 2007 4:54 UTC (Thu) by fyodor (guest, #3481) [Link] Maybe you should could make it a link in the survey. I browsed to the kernel page in another tab when I saw that question, and was unable to find the "index". Of course the answer appears in front of me right after I click "submit" :). It is too bad that there isn't a question on hardware or software review articles, particularly the "Grumpy Editor" series. I really like those! I agree with another poster that the subscription period question should say "subscriber-only period", as I wasn't sure what you were asking until I looked at the choices.
Kernel page index? Posted Feb 1, 2007 8:55 UTC (Thu) by aschwinm (subscriber, #33817) [Link] I also would have loved a link in the survey, I also wasn't sure what it was about.
Kind regards,
Aschwin Marsman
go, grumpy editor, go! Posted Feb 1, 2007 9:30 UTC (Thu) by nettings (subscriber, #429) [Link] i'm with fyodor on this one - the grumpy editor series is a very interesting read. clearly pointing out usability issues, but always in touch with the realities of open source community development.
go, grumpy editor, go! Posted Feb 1, 2007 13:24 UTC (Thu) by brwk (guest, #6849) [Link] I'd have to say that it is the single area of LWN where I would point to it and say "This made a solid improvement to my Linux Desktop Experience". Finding a good package for a particular application is a very hit and miss process and the Grumpy Editor series makes a very positive contribution to that decision making process. I definitely think it should have a top-level link of it's own.
Regards, Bevis.
"Grumpy Editor" Posted Feb 1, 2007 10:06 UTC (Thu) by terber (subscriber, #3311) [Link] > "Grumpy Editor" series. I really like those! Full ACK!
"Grumpy Editor" Posted Feb 1, 2007 19:06 UTC (Thu) by mikeraz (guest, #155) [Link] ACK .= double plus good.
The Grumpy Editor Guides deserved their own question so we could all rate them highly.
They certainly fit the "News You Can Use" niche.
They stand as an object lesson of how to review products.
"Grumpy Editor" Posted Feb 2, 2007 9:58 UTC (Fri) by pointwood (guest, #2814) [Link] ++
And I love the humour in the articles!
Grumpy Editor Posted Feb 1, 2007 11:48 UTC (Thu) by nicku (subscriber, #777) [Link] It was an honour to shake the hand of the Grumpy Editor at the Linux Conference in Sydney in January. Those Grumpy Editor reviews are fun to read.
Grumpy Editor Posted Feb 5, 2007 13:53 UTC (Mon) by telsa (guest, #280) [Link] That comment combines two of my favourite things about LWN: the Grumpy Editor, and the coverage from conferences. I have tried to take notes from talks before, and I am utter awe of the OLS/LCA/etc coverage on LWN. It can be seriously aggravating when half the people on IRC or whose weblogs you read are burbling about some conference and no-one writes up a single talk for those who couldn't make it, so the summaries from conferences are a boon.
And everyone has said everything about the Grumpy Editor already. :)
Kernel page index? Posted Feb 1, 2007 15:19 UTC (Thu) by phip (guest, #1715) [Link] > It is too bad that there isn't a question on hardware or software review> articles, particularly the "Grumpy Editor" series. I really like those!
No need to include it in the survey; everybody already knows that it rates a 5! :-)
I would have rated the Kernel page index higher if I had known what it is.
Thanks again LWN crew for all the great work!
Kernel page index? Posted Feb 1, 2007 15:30 UTC (Thu) by Zenith (subscriber, #24899) [Link] *sigh*
Sorry, but here goes another "me too" post :)
I also had some problems understanding some of the questions, that is, correlating what I read with what the LWN speak for each of the sections are :)
I also fully concur that the "Grumpy Editor" series is a 5++ section by its own, and there really ought to be a link to some sort of index of these.
Grumpy editor index? Posted Feb 1, 2007 15:33 UTC (Thu) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link] I also fully concur that the "Grumpy Editor" series is a 5++ section by its own, and there really ought to be a link to some sort of index of these. You mean, something like this index?
Grumpy editor index? Posted Feb 1, 2007 15:45 UTC (Thu) by Zenith (subscriber, #24899) [Link] Hey, that's cheating! :D
Darn, I guess I really should go look next time before I start requesting stuff ;)
For other curious people, the link that Your Favorite Grumpy Editor (YFGE for future reference? :) ) just mocked me with ;), can be located by going to "Archives" and then clicking the second link.
Point taken though ;)
Although, I and many others seem to be (lazy and) quite unaware of the endless heaps of resources that can found by digging around just a bit (and this appears to involve the much unknown top-navigation link bar).
Silly as we might be, this is probably quite typical for many of the others subscribers as well, and I'm sure that they would be much more appreciated if easier to locate.
Grumpy editor index? Posted Feb 1, 2007 19:26 UTC (Thu) by mikov (subscriber, #33179) [Link] Damn. I didn't know this page existed either ! I think the main thing that this survey is telling us is that the content is excellent, but we might need some reorganizing of the menus.
Grumpy editor index? Posted Feb 1, 2007 21:34 UTC (Thu) by jospoortvliet (subscriber, #33164) [Link] fully agreed. the content of LWN is excellent. well, the survey resultsare pretty clear, i'd say. i did rate some things 1, but mostly because they just don't spark my interest, it's not that i hate them being there.
and the 'real' articles are very interesting to read and of a very high
We need a Grumpy Editor's Guide to LWN :-) Posted Feb 1, 2007 21:52 UTC (Thu) by felixfix (subscriber, #242) [Link] A tour by example, full of the good Grumpy Editor drawings and screenshots, yeh, that's the ticket!
Grumpy editor index? Posted Feb 2, 2007 18:46 UTC (Fri) by a9db0 (subscriber, #2181) [Link] Talk about a hidden feature....Fortunately, Google is pretty good at finding them.
Grumpy Editor series - excellent! 5+
Grumpy Editor series index - bonus points!
This one probably deserves a link off the main page header. I've read every one, and used several as reference when digging for solutions. I'm sure they take a lot of time to put together, but they are well worth it to this reader. Thanks!
Grumpy Editor series, random comments Posted Feb 1, 2007 19:18 UTC (Thu) by vonbrand (subscriber, #4458) [Link]
Heartily agree! The Grumpy Editor series alone is worth the subscription. OK, make that One thing that annoys me is that if you post a comment, afterwards you are placed at the top of the original article again, if there are many comments you need to scroll down quite a bit to go on reading. And what I like a lot is the mail of responses. But the HTML --> text loses too much formatting, <blockquote> in particular gets completely lost, and so quoted stuff doesn't get its distinction. Perhaps mark with "> "? I do like the current left bar with Recent Features a lot. Would it be possible to mark "old" (already read) comments somehow? I do revisit old articles, and then I'll be probably more interested in comments left after my last visit.
Kernel page index Posted Feb 1, 2007 9:48 UTC (Thu) by and (subscriber, #2883) [Link] I didn't know that it existed, too. But it seems as a pretty goodreference to the kernel's concepts. I suppose it tends to get out of date sooner rather than later, though. Wouldn't it be a good idea to transform it into some kind wiki with links to the original articles prominently placed? It could certainly attract some additional attention for the site...
Kernel page index? Posted Feb 1, 2007 10:36 UTC (Thu) by jbw (guest, #5689) [Link] > We mean this kernel page index.
Wow. Didn't even know that existed. I've never looked at any of the links in the block at the top of the page. I would have been more likely to look at that if it was in the sidebar.
Can you do something like this index for all your articles, not just kernel ones? Or maybe some tagging scheme so that one can find all articles related to topic xyzzy?
Maybe also add help information to the links so that we can mouse over them to get a more detailed description of what "Kernel", etc. link to?
Kernel page index? Posted Feb 1, 2007 14:08 UTC (Thu) by pm101 (guest, #3011) [Link] Wow. That's nice. Never knew about that. I'd probably ignore the survey answers, since when I got to that question, I went to this week's kernel page, look long and hard for an index, couldn't figure out what part of the page it was, so filled the survey in with something random.
Sidenote: For future surveys, for the coverage of what to do in the future, I'd provide a little bit more guidance. There's a few axes. (a) Would I use a feature? (b) How important would it be to me? (c) If I wouldn't use a feature, do I have specific opposition? (d) Do I think it's a good idea or bad idea? It wasn't clear how to fit those into the survey. On a bunch of the things (pdf edition, podcast, business coverage, blacklists), I'd never use them. I think they'd probably be a waste of resources. On the other hand, I fundamentally don't care -- if other people want them, they're not hurting me in any way. I wasn't sure if that was a 1 or a 3. The only one I was opposed to is more guest authors unless you manage to set up a very good filter for quality of articles. I can get the equivalent of guest articles by following links off of slashdot or any other site. There is no benefit to me having them on LWN, where they hurt SNR.
Finally: More grumpy editor. That might be a good task for the other editors too. While Corbet is by far the best, it is very tough to get good software reviews of any form. Even if the other authors don't write as well as Corbet, so long as the reviews are comprehensive, having a good place to find out which mail client, video editor, etc. to use provides a lot of value.
Kernel page index? Posted Feb 1, 2007 15:21 UTC (Thu) by grouch (guest, #27289) [Link] It appears our un-indexed Grumpy Editor has a minor bug to fix in the page layout, which bug has left many readers unaware of a handy feature of LWN that would be much more utilized if more apparent. :o)
Kernel page index? Posted Feb 3, 2007 23:12 UTC (Sat) by fixkowalski (subscriber, #13396) [Link] I wasted cumulated days googling for kernel features, while as a subscriber I had access to this page. Please make this more visible. It is a shame that such a piece of information is so buried...
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