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The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clientsThe Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clientsPosted Jan 16, 2007 18:58 UTC (Tue) by jwb (guest, #15467)Parent article: The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients
The proliferation of tabbed UIs is disturbing. Tabs are not some kind of magical usability panacea. In fact they are usually harmful, as they circumvent the usual window management paradigm. I really wish they would make the GAIM tabbed windows not be the default because, as you correctly point out, it can be quite annoying to have to poll the tabs for updates and very easy to miss the silent insertion of a new tab.
Same goes for all the other tabbed UIs in this article.
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tabs Posted Jan 16, 2007 19:54 UTC (Tue) by JoeBuck (subscriber, #2330) [Link] I think that tabs are OK in cases where the user will want to focus attention on one tab at a time, and does not need to be alerted to changes in the other tabs. I like the tab approach for setting distinct groups of configuration parameters. Putting private messages or separate IRC channels in separate tabs, though, seems like a botch.
The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients Posted Jan 16, 2007 22:32 UTC (Tue) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link] having used screen and such I like the ability to nest windows in a window like that.
Also another example is IRSSI in the command line. You have multiple sessions open and you switch back and forth. I don't see this any different then tabs.
What I would like to see however is the ability to tear off tabs or configure it to use windows instead. Depending on the person I can see independant windows being better.
The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients Posted Jan 17, 2007 7:37 UTC (Wed) by boudewijn (subscriber, #14185) [Link] It's a bit strange that konversation doesn't alllow you to tear off thetabs, seeing that konqueror and konsole both have that feature. Perhaps in the next version... What I would like, too, is having tab (or alt-/) completion for all words in a channel, not just nicks.
The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients Posted Jan 18, 2007 12:36 UTC (Thu) by jospoortvliet (subscriber, #33164) [Link] well, konversation development has been rather silent for some time, butit's getting up-speed again. submit some wishes and/or patches, and i'm pretty sure things will get better :D
The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients Posted Jan 18, 2007 14:38 UTC (Thu) by Sho (subscriber, #8956) [Link] > well, konversation development has been rather silent for some time
We tend to walk off for a while and slowly plow through larger items on our own, which then culminates in a flurry of commit activity toward the later stages of a given release cycle, giving the appearance of work happening in waves -- don't let that fool you into thinking nothing is going on inbetween. The August '06 release of 1.0 and the October '06 release of 1.0.1 should be followed by a 1.1 in a few weeks.
The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients Posted Jan 18, 2007 14:31 UTC (Thu) by Sho (subscriber, #8956) [Link] Speaking as its maintainer, we'd like to have detachable tabs as well, and intend to provide that functionality in a future release, most likely for the then-current KDE 4 desktop.
The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients Posted Jan 17, 2007 8:07 UTC (Wed) by tao (subscriber, #17563) [Link] At least when using Gaim 2 (OK, it's not been officially released yet, but beta5 is working perfectly fine), I get visual cues to what tabs contain new information. The top of the tab goes green if someone is typing something to me at the moment (only for protocols that support this, of course, such as jabber), red if there's a new message on the channel, and blue if there's a new message to me on the channel. There's also a really nice libnotify-plugin that will show a popup with the beginning of the message as a popup.
No need to poll the tabs.
The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients Posted Jan 18, 2007 9:50 UTC (Thu) by massimiliano (subscriber, #3048) [Link]
No need for Gaim 2: I have 1.5.0, and it does the same thing.
The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients Posted Jan 18, 2007 12:39 UTC (Thu) by jospoortvliet (subscriber, #33164) [Link] no need to poll the tabs in konversation, it'll color them, just likekonqueror does.
The Grumpy Editor's Guide to graphical IRC clients Posted Jan 25, 2007 11:29 UTC (Thu) by arcticwolf (guest, #8341) [Link] Tools->Preferences. The option "[ ] Show IMs and and chats in tabbed windows" is right there on the first preferences tab (in 2.0.0beta6, but I'm sure it's been there for ages already).
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