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Low-cost laptop could transform learning (Yahoo)

Yahoo has an AP article on the OLPC project. "Nicholas Negroponte, who launched the project at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's Media Lab two years ago before spinning One Laptop into a separate nonprofit, said he deliberately wanted to avoid giving children computers they might someday use in an office. 'In fact, one of the saddest but most common conditions in elementary school computer labs (when they exist in the developing world), is the children are being trained to use Word, Excel and PowerPoint,' Negroponte wrote in an e-mail interview. 'I consider that criminal, because children should be making things, communicating, exploring, sharing, not running office automation tools.'"
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Low-cost laptop could transform learning (Yahoo)

Posted Jan 1, 2007 3:56 UTC (Mon) by horen (subscriber, #2514) [Link]

Two comments:

  1. Alternative education tends to be very "blue-sky" in its 'reality be damned' approach to schooling, regardless of whether it takes place in a brick-and-mortar setting, or via homeschooling. "Discovery" takes place in different ways, and at different speeds, and might be a paradigm better-suited for a child/young-person and his/her hobbies/interests, rather than the classroom. As an ex-pat American who spent 25 years in Israel, now returned to the US, I will tell you from first-hand experience, that the Palestinian youth whom I met over the years were uniformly appreciative-of and viewed education as a tool, a ticket out of a dead-end life. Although the bulk of my contact was during the 1980s, Palestinians whom I met later on were unanimously grateful for having learned, at an increasingly early-age, how to use word-processing software. A "ticket out" does not necessarily mean geographic relocation. In fact, where violence and/or personal threat is not a factor, a "ticket out" can mean a change (for the better) in the way things are done; i.e., farming, construction, etc. Don't let's go experimenting with other children's "educational birthright".

  2. Having said all that, perhaps the most flagrant abuse of students' "educational birthright" I've ever witnessed was this past year, when I worked at an exclusive (read: expensive) private school, here in South Florida. The school had a Media Technology Consultant, who conned the Upper School's History department chairperson into having the students incorporate Microsoft Excel into a semester-long American History project. Each student was required to find-and-use a map of the continental US as a background image for the Excel spreadsheet. Then, the idea was to use spreadsheet-cells which overlay locations on the background map, to include pertinent information for on-screen popups, when the student presented his/her project to the class, via projector, onto the classroom's whiteboard. Rather than concentrating their efforts and energies on "discovering" information, studying it, and arriving at an understanding of whatever topic of American History each one chose to investigate, they were, "to a (wo)man", caught-up in the complexities and attendant frustrations of mastering Microsoft Excel. It was a horror, and I found it painful to watch them present their pitiful projects; it was yet-another self-image destroyer.

Regardless of from where it comes -- especially if it comes from intellectual American liberals -- it is criminal to not provide children -- the younger, the better -- with skills that, from the get-go, enable them to reach-for the stars and catch the wind.

The OLPC low-cost laptop will transform learning.

Posted Jan 1, 2007 9:57 UTC (Mon) by csawtell (subscriber, #986) [Link]

What a pity the exclusive Media Technology Consultant didn't have access to Squeak, which is a built-in program as part of the the OLPC software. The second paragraph project is an absolute natural for it. There used to be a set of instructions for a very similar project on the Squeakland site, but unfortunately I can't find it there right now. There are lots of other projects though (Click on 'School Stuff'). Watch this video.google film for a very good idea what Squeak will do in schools.

as a well-read liberal

Posted Jan 1, 2007 18:24 UTC (Mon) by ccyoung (subscriber, #16340) [Link]

When my son was in elementary school I spent a lot of time helping out with chess club and giving number theory lectures from 2nd to 5th graders. For me it was really exciting to watch their faces as these oh-yeah! moments came over them - teaching them to mix imagination and rational thought.

I personally didn't see any of my conservative peers volunteering in the public schools - but I have to (enviously) say that most of them are far richer than me now.

Low-cost laptop could transform learning (Yahoo)

Posted Jan 1, 2007 15:28 UTC (Mon) by dps (subscriber, #5725) [Link]

I am very skeptical of "alternative education" and investigation in general. It took a lot of *very* smart people thousands of years to develop mathematics even to GCSE level (which everybody is expected to reach). Most of the classical mathematical examples collapse given the right insight, which not everybody will discover.

Programing is even more difficult---a simple report took me a whole day to write, which probably translates as most of a term (especialy if factor in the need to teach people about splay or AVL trees). This was a relatively small item for which my theory worked, and I am fairly sure I had the trees already.

That said training to use word, excel, etc or any equivalent thereof is IMHO the wrong thing too. I think understanding the *principles* of word processors, spreadsheets, programming languages, etc is much more important. Given the design of many application forms in M$ word format these principles are not widely understood. These principle should probably include not using underlining when bold and italics are avialable instead.

P.S. My PhD thesis guidelines stated that "things which would be printed in italics should be underlined". Fortunately it was acceptable to ignore this and use italics instead.

Low-cost laptop could transform learning (Yahoo)

Posted Jan 1, 2007 20:07 UTC (Mon) by rsidd (subscriber, #2582) [Link]

To learn the principles of typesetting, stay far away from Word. Use (La)TeX. And read The TeXbook. It is astonishing the number of fine points of typesetting that hKnuth incorporated into his program in the early 1980s, that the word processor people still haven't figured out. And don't get me started on math typesetting.

Yes, the TeXbook is steep reading for schoolchildren, but the principles can be extracted and explained.

Low-cost laptop could transform learning (Yahoo)

Posted Jan 2, 2007 21:53 UTC (Tue) by TwoTimeGrime (guest, #11688) [Link]

Word doesn't have anything to do with typesetting. It's a word processor. Typesetting is a different skill/art than creating the body of text that will be eventually printed. Word may include some advanced layout features so that people can do simple layouts without having to import text into Quark XPress or Adobe Pagemaker, but that is for convenience.

The parent poster was saying commenting on people learning the fundamentals of word processing. That can be taught in Word, OpenOffice, Emacs, vi, or any number of other programs.

Tools are a dime-a-dozen.

Posted Jan 1, 2007 21:57 UTC (Mon) by orospakr (subscriber, #40684) [Link]

I would argue that it is the concepts and ideas that are important. We geeks in particular should be keenly aware of the mutability of our tools. Thankfully, the idea that "if you've learned one, you've learned them all" appears to apply.

For example: the very simple Abiword-based word processor included with OLPC, if I may even call it that, is not fundamentally different from the experience one would have with a conventional package like Word. Thus, if a student who was fortunate enough to receive an education including OLPC should find themselves in front of that particular platform, they should have much less trouble learning it than someone who was less fortunate.

And, there's nothing that says that OLPC should replace *all* of the existing educational system, but rather augment and improve it.

Check out http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Learning_Vision . In particular, look at the bit on constructivism.

Tools are a dime-a-dozen.

Posted Jan 1, 2007 21:59 UTC (Mon) by orospakr (subscriber, #40684) [Link]

This comment should have been a child of horen's comment, not the root.

That's something that the preview doesn't let you check...

Low-cost laptop could transform learning (Yahoo)

Posted Jan 1, 2007 23:27 UTC (Mon) by Richard_J_Neill (subscriber, #23093) [Link]

I had the fortune to have a great visionary as a headmaster. His strongest theme was that "Education should be irrelevant".

This emphatically doesn't mean that "schools shouldn't teach life-skills", nor that "school leavers should not be equipped to work in business".

What it does mean, though, is that "education teaches us who we are, not what we know", and furthermore that "teaching people to think (in the abstract) makes it very easy for them to apply their understanding to any specific problem; the converse is not true".

Computers can be a huge benefit in education, but they could also do huge harm. Actually, I've seen so many instances of computing in business making people less efficient - bad powerpoints being a particular example!

Low-cost laptop could transform learning (Yahoo)

Posted Jan 3, 2007 0:05 UTC (Wed) by man_ls (subscriber, #15091) [Link]

Actually, I've seen so many instances of computing in business making people less efficient - bad powerpoints being a particular example!
Or PDAs... they steal your attention, it takes an hour to enter any text, you cannot multitask successfully with one in your hands (as opposed to pencil-and-paper)... In one word, they suck big time in meetings.

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