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From:  Martin Schulze <joey-AT-infodrom.org>
To:  Debian News Channel <debian-news-AT-lists.debian.org>
Subject:  Debian Weekly News - December 26th, 2006
Date:  Tue, 26 Dec 2006 21:24:09 +0100 (CET)

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Debian Weekly News - December 26th, 2006
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Welcome to this year's 42nd issue of DWN, the weekly newsletter for
the Debian community. DWN is currently not being published weekly but
when authors have contributed enough items because its editor can't
ignore other duties while the Debian project is indirectly paying some
developers. In the meantime Christian Perrier has opened the
[1]400,000th bug report. Jonathan Oxer [2]called for participation
in the sixth Debian [3]mini conference which will be part of
[4]Linux Conference Australia in Sydney.

 1. http://bugs.debian.org/400000
 2. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/11/msg...
 3. http://miniconf6.debconf.org/
 4. http://lca2007.linux.org.au/

20.000 Submitters for Popularity Contest. Petter Reinholdsen
[5]reported that Debian's [6]Popularity Contest project passed
20,000 submitters. By installing the [7]popularity-contest package
users can collect and submit the list of installed packages on their
systems which helps our developers to [8]see how popular their
packages are and where a need for additional packages is.

 5. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/11/msg01031.html
 6. https://alioth.debian.org/projects/popcon/
 7. http://packages.debian.org/popularity-contest
 8. http://popcon.debian.org/

Five Years debianforum.de. On December, 20th the German speaking
Debian discussion board [9]debianforum.de is celebrating its fifth
anniversary. Created in late 2001 by Sebastian Feltel debianforum.de
was build upon the ideals and ideas that made Debian what it is now.
Today the forum with more than 17,000 members is one of the largest
discussion boards for Debian where beginners and advanced users help
each other in an friendly and constructive manner. With booths at
several Free Software events the forum is also active outside the
world wide web.

 9. http://www.debianforum.de/

ARM now third most-popular Debian Architecture. Rod Whitby
[10]reported that the Linksys [11]NSLU2 is responsible for driving the
[12]ARM port to be the third most popular architecture among Debian
Linux users who run popularity-contest. NSLU2 Debian installations are
easily [13]tracked and make up 90 % of all ARM installations reported
by popcon.

 10. http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3535328630.html
 11. http://www.nslu2-linux.org/
 12. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/
 13. http://people.debian.org/~igloo/popcon-graphs/index.php?p...

Installing Debian without CD-ROM. Rainer Dorsch [14]figured out how to
install Debian on laptops with USB floppy but without bootable CD-ROM
drive, such as a number of Sony Vaio [15]laptops. Debian [16]etch may
be installed on these devices using [17]PXE-on-a-disk, TFTP for
retrieving the installation media from an TFTP server, and
[18]netbooting. The installer for [19]sarge supported such notebooks,
but the 2.6.18 kernel has grown so big that support for USB floppies
had to be [20]dropped.

 14. http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/12/msg00372.html
 15. http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/12/msg00078.html
 16. http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/
 17. ftp://ftp.scyld.com/private/jlehan/pxe-on-a-disk.html
 18. http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/ch04s06
 19. http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/
 20. http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/12/msg00088.html

Etch-CD with KDE as default Desktop. Joey Hess [21]announced that he
has created an special [22]etch installation [23]CD image which
installs [24]KDE as the default desktop environment. The same is
possible with the original CD images when using more than one
installation medium or installing using a mirror [25]server. This is
because Debian placed the [26]GNOME packages on the first installation
medium rather than the KDE ones.

 21. http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/KDE_CD.html
 22. http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/
 23. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-...
 24. http://www.kde.org/
 25. http://www.debian.org/mirror/list
 26. http://www.gnome.org/

Etch frozen. Andreas Barth, member of the [27]Debian Release team,
[28]announced the freeze of the upcoming [29]etch release. Packages
contained in this distribution will only be updated after manual
approval by the release team. Before etch can be released, several
issues need to be addressed, especially [30]release-critical bugs and
security support.

 27. http://release.debian.org/
 28. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg...
 29. http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/
 30. http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/

Debian powers Australia's largest Satellite Network. Rodney Gedda
[31]reported that Australia's largest Internet via satellite
[32]network is powered by Debian GNU/Linux based routers. In the state
of New South Wales 75 towns spanning upwards of 800,000 square
kilometres are linked together with a combination of wireless LAN and
satellite based Internet uplinks. Debian has been chosen as operating
system for the network routers due to its known reliability and ease
of package management.

 31. http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;55499617;fp;4;...
 32. http://www.nswnet.net/rurallink/

Debian Package of the Day. Lucas Nussbaum [33]announced that he is
resurrecting [34]Debian package a day featuring reviews of Debian
packages. For the beginning the site will be updated twice a week,
provided that readers [35]contribute reviews. Interested people can
subscribe via RSS and Atom feeds. The old [36]site from Andrew Sweger
was [37]discontinued in 2004 and finally found successor.

 33. http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=221
 34. http://debaday.debian.net/
 35. http://debaday.debian.net/contribute/
 36. http://www.livejournal.com/users/debaday/
 37. http://www.infodrom.org/~joey/log/?200610071323

New daily CD and DVD Builds. Steve McIntyre [38]announced more types
of [39]daily built CD and DVD images, including business card and
network installation images for [40]etch and [41]sid for all
architectures except for S/390. Building these sets is triggered by
the mirror pulse twice a day. The total build time for all 44 images
is approximately 45 minutes. Full CD and DVD sets for all
architectures are [42]built weekly and also provide special KDE and
XFCE variants of the first CD. Additionally, multi-architecture
network installation CD and DVD are provided for AMD64, PowerPC and
x86.

 38. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg...
 39. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/
 40. http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/
 41. http://www.debian.org/releases/sid/
 42. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/

Extremadura Work Meetings Evaluation. Andreas Schuldei [43]asked
participants of Extremadura meetings held in Spain as [44]announced at
the end of 2005. The [45]work sessions are over and he would like to
gather information about the success of these. Andreas will collect
impressions from Extremadura people as well and will report his
findings.

 43. http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/12/msg00148.html
 44. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/12/msg...
 45. http://wiki.debian.org/WorkSessionsExtremadura

FOSDEM Debian Developer's Room. Wouter Verhelst [46]called for talks
for next year's [47]Free and Open Source Developers' European Meeting
(FOSDEM) that takes place on February 24th and 25th in Brussels,
Belgium. The Debian project will maintain the room for the entire
weekend to give talks and organise developer meetings. In addition to
this room the project will staff a booth to present the new
distribution to other developers present in Brussels.

 46. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg...
 47. http://www.debian.org/events/2007/0224-fosdem

Security Updates. You know the drill. Please make sure that you update
your systems if you have any of these packages installed.

 * DSA 1221: [48]libgsf -- Arbitrary code execution.
 * DSA 1222: [49]proftpd -- Several vulnerabilities.
 * DSA 1223: [50]tar -- Arbitrary file overwrite.
 * DSA 1224: [51]mozilla -- Several vulnerabilities.
 * DSA 1225: [52]mozilla-firefox -- Several vulnerabilities.
 * DSA 1226: [53]links -- Arbitrary shell command execution.
 * DSA 1227: [54]mozilla-thunderbird -- Several vulnerabilities.
 * DSA 1228: [55]elinks -- Arbitrary shell command execution.
 * DSA 1229: [56]asterisk -- Arbitrary code execution.
 * DSA 1230: [57]l2tpns -- Arbitrary code execution.
 * DSA 1231: [58]gnupg -- Arbitrary code execution.
 * DSA 1232: [59]clamav -- Denial of service.
 * DSA 1233: [60]Linux 2.6.8 -- Several vulnerabilities.
 * DSA 1234: [61]ruby1.6 -- Denial of service.
 * DSA 1235: [62]ruby1.8 -- Denial of service.
 * DSA 1236: [63]enemies-of-carlotta -- Missing sanity checks.
 * DSA 1237: [64]Linux 2.4.27 -- Several vulnerabilities.
 * DSA 1238: [65]clamav -- Several vulnerabilities.
 * DSA 1239: [66]sql-ledger -- Arbitrary code execution.
 * DSA 1240: [67]links2 -- Arbitrary shell command execution.
 * DSA 1241: [68]squirrelmail -- Cross-site scripting.

 48. http://www.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-1221
 49. http://www.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-1222
 50. http://www.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-1223
 51. http://www.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-1224
 52. http://www.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-1225
 53. http://www.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-1226
 54. http://www.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-1227
 55. http://www.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-1228
 56. http://www.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-1229
 57. http://www.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-1230
 58. http://www.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-1231
 59. http://www.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-1232
 60. http://www.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-1233
 61. http://www.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-1234
 62. http://www.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-1235
 63. http://www.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-1236
 64. http://www.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-1237
 65. http://www.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-1238
 66. http://www.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-1239
 67. http://www.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-1240
 68. http://www.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-1241

New or Noteworthy Packages. The following packages were added to the
unstable Debian archive [69]recently or contain important updates.

 69. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/newpkg_main

 * [70]abntex -- LaTeX class for writing documents in ABNT standard.
 * [71]acidlab -- Analysis Console for Intrusion Databases.
 * [72]apt-cross -- Retrieve, build and install libraries for
   cross-compiling.
 * [73]clamassassin -- E-mail virus filter wrapper for ClamAV.
 * [74]cryopid -- Dumps a process into a self-executing file.
 * [75]dnshistory -- Translating and storing of IP addresses from log
   files.
 * [76]dot2tex -- Graphviz to LaTeX converter.
 * [77]dtc -- Web control panel for admin and accounting hosting
   services.
 * [78]exaile -- Flexible audio player.
 * [79]fantasdic -- Dictionary application.
 * [80]fatresize -- FAT16/FAT32 filesystem resiser.
 * [81]flashrom -- Universal flash programming utility.
 * [82]freedroidrpg -- Isometric RPG influenced by Paradroid.
 * [83]fuzzyocr -- Spamassassin plugin to check image attachments.
 * [84]gamazons -- Amazons boardgame for Gnome.
 * [85]genisoimage -- Creates ISO-9660 CD-ROM filesystem images.
 * [86]git-buildpackage -- Suite to help with Debian packages in Git
   repositories.
 * [87]glpi -- IT and asset management software.
 * [88]gmorgan -- MIDI rhythm station emulator software.
 * [89]gnujump -- Platform game where you have to jump up to survive.
 * [90]grhino -- Othello/Reversi boardgame.
 * [91]gwhere -- Removable media catalog manager.
 * [92]helium -- Compiler used for learning the programming language
   Haskell.
 * [93]hlbr -- IPS that runs over layer 2 (no TCP/IP stack
   required).
 * [94]icedax -- Creates WAV files from audio CDs.
 * [95]iceweasel-greasemonkey -- Iceweasel extension that enables
   customisation of webpages with user scripts.
 * [96]iceweasel-webdeveloper -- Web developer extension for the
   Iceweasel web browser.
 * [97]isdexport -- Export isd files to other formats.
 * [98]ipplan -- Web based IP address management software and
   tracking tool.
 * [99]iwatch -- Realtime filesystem monitoring program using
   inotify.
 * [100]karchiver -- Work with compressed files.
 * [101]kcheckers -- Checkers boardgame.
 * [102]keyutils -- Linux Key Management Utilities.
 * [103]lsongs -- All-in-one media player.
 * [104]lybniz -- Mathematical function graph plotter.
 * [105]mbpeventd -- Apple MacBook Pro & MacBook hotkeys event
   handler.
 * [106]meep -- MIT Electromagnetic Equation Propagation.
 * [107]metacafe-dl -- Download videos from metacafe.com.
 * [108]nec2c -- Translation of the NEC2 FORTRAN source code to the C
   language.
 * [109]ocsigen -- Web programming framework in OCaml.
 * [110]pybridge -- Online contract bridge game.
 * [111]scalpel -- Frugal, High Performance File Carver.
 * [112]scribble -- Popular crossword game, similar to Scrabble(R).
 * [113]slime -- Superior LISP Interaction Mode for Emacs.
 * [114]samizdat -- Collaboration and open publishing engine.
 * [115]smbnetfs -- User-space filesystem for SMB/NMB (Windows)
   network servers and shares.
 * [116]sonata -- GTK+ client for the Music Player Daemon.
 * [117]tepache -- code sketcher for Python that uses pygtk and
   glade.
 * [118]tk5 -- Experimental Software for the ICOM IC-R5 Receiver.
 * [119]trmxml -- MusicBrainz TRM Generator.
 * [120]uncrustify -- C, C++, C#, D, Java and Pawn source code
   beautifier.
 * [121]unidesc -- Tools for finding out what is in a Unicode file.
 * [122]urlscan -- Extract and browse the URLs contained in an
   e-mail.
 * [123]vbuf -- Virtual Ring Buffer library - shell interface.
 * [124]vinetto -- Forensics tool to examine Thumbs.db files.

 70. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/tex/abntex
 71. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/acidlab
 72. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/apt-cross
 73. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/mail/clamassassin
 74. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/cryopid
 75. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/dnshistory
 76. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/graphics/dot2tex
 77. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/dtc
 78. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/sound/exaile
 79. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/fantasdic
 80. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/otherosfs/fatresize
 81. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/electronics/flashrom
 82. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/games/freedroidrpg
 83. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/mail/fuzzyocr
 84. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/games/gamazons
 85. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/otherosfs/genisoimage
 86. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/git-buildpackage
 87. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/glpi
 88. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/sound/gmorgan
 89. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/games/gnujump
 90. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/games/grhino
 91. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/gwhere
 92. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/helium
 93. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/hlbr
 94. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/sound/icedax
 95. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/iceweasel-greasem...
 96. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/iceweasel-webde...
 97. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/isdexport
 98. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/ipplan
 99. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/iwatch
 100. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kde/karchiver
 101. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/games/kcheckers
 102. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/keyutils
 103. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/sound/lsongs
 104. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/math/lybniz
 105. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/mbpeventd
 106. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/science/meep
 107. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/metacafe-dl
 108. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/hamradio/nec2c
 109. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/ocsigen
 110. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/games/pybridge
 111. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/scalpel
 112. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/games/scribble
 113. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/slime
 114. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/samizdat
 115. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/smbnetfs
 116. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/sound/sonata
 117. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/python/tepache
 118. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/hamradio/tk5
 119. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/sound/trmxml
 120. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/uncrustify
 121. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/unidesc
 122. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/mail/urlscan
 123. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/vbuf
 124. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/vinetto

Orphaned Packages. 14 packages were orphaned last month and require a
new maintainer. This makes a total of 349 orphaned packages. Many
thanks to the previous maintainers who contributed to the Free
Software community. Please see the [125]WNPP pages for the full list,
and please add a note to the bug report and retitle it to ITA: if you
plan to take over a package. To find out which orphaned packages are
installed on your system the wnpp-alert program from devscripts may be
helpful.

 125. http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/

 * [126]armagetron -- Common files for the Armagetron packages.
   ([127]Bug#402225)
 * [128]ava -- Algebraical Virtual Assembler for Atmel's AVR MCUs.
   ([129]Bug#404466)
 * [130]avra -- Assembler for Atmel AVR micro controllers.
   ([131]Bug#404467)
 * [132]avrp -- Programmer for Atmel AVR micro controllers.
   ([133]Bug#404468)
 * [134]drscheme -- PLT Scheme Programming Environment.
   ([135]Bug#402589)
 * [136]klineakconfig -- KDE configurator for lineakd.
   ([137]Bug#401134)
 * [138]ksimus-floatingpoint -- KSimus floating point package.
   ([139]Bug#401135)
 * [140]libapache-mod-gzip -- HTTP compression module for Apache.
   ([141]Bug#401682)
 * [142]lush -- Lisp Universal Shell Executable. ([143]Bug#402989)
 * [144]mailscanner -- E-mail virus scanner and spam tagger.
   ([145]Bug#401510)
 * [146]python-uncertainities -- Python module for working with
   uncertain numbers. ([147]Bug#401136)
 * [148]siege -- HTTP regression testing and benchmarking utility.
   ([149]Bug#401680)
 * [150]texmacs -- WYSIWYG mathematical text editor using TeX fonts.
   ([151]Bug#404375)
 * [152]texmacs-extra-fonts -- Extra fonts for the mathematical text
   editor TeXmacs. ([153]Bug#404376)

 126. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/games/armagetron
 127. http://bugs.debian.org/402225
 128. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/electronics/ava
 129. http://bugs.debian.org/404466
 130. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/electronics/avra
 131. http://bugs.debian.org/404467
 132. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/electronics/avrp
 133. http://bugs.debian.org/404468
 134. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/interpreters/drscheme
 135. http://bugs.debian.org/402589
 136. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/klineakconfig
 137. http://bugs.debian.org/401134
 138. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/electronics/ksimus-fl...
 139. http://bugs.debian.org/401135
 140. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/libapache-mod-gzip
 141. http://bugs.debian.org/401682
 142. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/lush
 143. http://bugs.debian.org/402989
 144. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/mail/mailscanner
 145. http://bugs.debian.org/401510
 146. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/python/python-uncerta...
 147. http://bugs.debian.org/401136
 148. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/siege
 149. http://bugs.debian.org/401680
 150. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/editors/texmacs
 151. http://bugs.debian.org/404375
 152. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/editors/texmacs-extra...
 153. http://bugs.debian.org/404376

Want to continue reading DWN? Please help us create this newsletter.
We still need more volunteer writers who watch the Debian community
and report about what is going on. Please see the [154]contributing
page to find out how to help. We're looking forward to receiving your
mail at [155]dwn@debian.org.

 154. http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/contributing
 155. mailto:dwn@debian.org

This issue of Debian Weekly News was edited by Sebastian Feltel,
Rod Whitby, Rainer Dorsch, Andre Lehovich, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel
and Martin 'Joey' Schulze.


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Posted Dec 27, 2006 1:05 UTC (Wed) by nlucas (subscriber, #33793) [Link]

    DWN is currently not being published weekly but when authors have contributed enough items because its editor can't ignore other duties while the Debian project is indirectly paying some developers.

So it seems the DWN editor decided to work less because it's not geting paid? The normal thing isn't geting someone with more free time to help?

Sad...

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Posted Dec 27, 2006 2:11 UTC (Wed) by k8to (subscriber, #15413) [Link]

Some developers decided to create a funding project for a select group in a behind-closed-doors decision making process. This private decision making process in what is supposed to be a community created rifts of ill-feeling.

This is one example of someone who has become demotivated as a result.

I do not claim it is right of the author to express his or her demotivation in this way, but it isn't that hard to understand.

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Posted Dec 27, 2006 2:58 UTC (Wed) by elanthis (guest, #6227) [Link]

No, no it is not easy to understand, unless it's a, "I wish I was getting money too, man I hate those other people who are getting money for this."

How the hell is this any different than some OSS programmers being employed to work on their software by Red Hat/IBM/Novell/Canonical/etc. while many others do it in their free time?

If someone wants to pay only select people to work on Debian, good for them. If some of the Debian developers solicited and/or arranged to be paid for their work, good for them, too.

Whiny people don't deserve to be pitied. They deserve to be told how childish and self-centered they are. If they want to be paid, they should prove to someone that they're worth the money, or switch jobs to one that is willing to fund their work on Debian.

Debian Weekly News

Posted Dec 27, 2006 4:59 UTC (Wed) by k8to (subscriber, #15413) [Link]

You're insisting on not seeing it from the perspective of those who are displeased. Sure, from your perspective ther isn't a problem.

Some people feel there is a breach of trust. Some people feel there is an unprecedented effective diversion of funds. Some people feel like some sort of inner circle has formed, leaving them second class citizens. You don't have to agree with these feelings or impressions to understand that they exist in other people.

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Posted Dec 27, 2006 16:36 UTC (Wed) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]

were the funds to pay the developers diverted from the debian treasury? if so then there is a big issue.

However, if they were solicited from outside donations for the specific purpose then they weren't 'diverted'

In addition the developers voted (per the agreed on process) and the majority voted in favor of the system, so the 'inner circle' must consist of the majority of the developers (even though only two people were funded IIRC)

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Posted Dec 28, 2006 4:50 UTC (Thu) by JoeBuck (subscriber, #2330) [Link]

The funds did not come from Debian, they were privately donated.

The Debian Project had several GRs on the issue, attempting to condemn the funding and recall the Leader. These moves all failed. The people still complaining about it tried to put the thing to a vote. They lost the vote.

Unfortunately, the editor of an official Debian publication refuses to accept this vote, and continues to use his position to snipe at the Dunc-Tank project. He's entitled to his view, but it seems abusive to use DWN for this purpose. If he wants to use DWN to complain about not being paid to do DWN, he has the alternative of resigning.

As someone active in GCC, I never understood what the fuss was all about. The GCC RM successfully solicited outside funding to make it possible for him to work full-time on GCC, and the Steering Committee fully supported this (and he's getting a lot more than $6K, I assure you). Many GCC contributors are paid to work on GCC. Many others volunteer, and I haven't seen any resentment because some get paid and others don't. After all, a reputation for putting out quality free software is a good way to get hired.

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Posted Dec 29, 2006 1:04 UTC (Fri) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]

Many Debian (have no clue on the numbers) are paid specificly to work on Debian. For isntance Progeny, a company which provides support for creating custom Debian-based systems, has a number of developers and has a mirrors that they provide Debian software on.

The original GR, if I remember correctly, was a attempt to use Debian's trademark stuff to kick out the president.

The idea was something along the lines of:
He is Debian president using his position to promote Dunc Tank. Already publications have mistakenly associated Dunc Tank with a Debian project. In order to avoid future confusion we should kick him out of Debian.

Which is just nonsense. If there is confusion over the official-ness of Dunc Tank then there are other more obvious, easier, and less destructive ways to resolve the issue.

To us standing in the sidelines it seems fairly obvious that there is political motivations going on here that they are simply not being honest about. But perceptions aren't everything.

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Posted Dec 27, 2006 9:09 UTC (Wed) by branden (subscriber, #7029) [Link]

elanthis,

If you don't care for the current editorial tone of DWN, no one is
stopping you from publishing your own competing newsletter.

Or do you presume to dictate to unpaid volunteers exactly they should do
their work?

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Posted Dec 27, 2006 10:16 UTC (Wed) by irios (guest, #19838) [Link]

branden,

If you don't like the tone of elanthis' response, no one is stopping you from publishing your own competing site where only the ones you agree with are allowed to express their opinions.

Or do you presume to dictate everybody exactly what their opinions should be and which can they express?

Freedom indeed ...

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Posted Dec 27, 2006 19:26 UTC (Wed) by grouch (guest, #27289) [Link]

irios,

Exactly how does your comment relate to Elanthis' comment, Branden's response, DWN's editorial tone, LWN's comment policy, and/or freedom? Is it supposed to be funny and I'm just too dense to get the joke?

Elanthis disagrees with the (perceived) protest of a work slow-down by the DWN editor. Branden disagrees with Elanthis and points out that the DWN editor is a volunteer. Your comment appears to chastise Branden, by way of mimicking, for commenting on LWN and for not agreeing with Elanthis.

I just don't get it. Is "[f]reedom indeed ..." the punch line?

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Posted Dec 27, 2006 20:37 UTC (Wed) by arcticwolf (guest, #8341) [Link]

I suppose that irios' comment was supposed to point out (in a rather pointed manner) that branden's comment, which essentially boiled down to "you are not allowed to criticise anything, ever", was not only useless, but also rather hypocritical.

(That, in turn, is something that everyone else may or may not agree with, of course. I personally do; I don't really care about the actual issue of Debian developer funding etc. that elanthis commented on, but I found branden's comment to be more than useless, myself, since it basically was nothing more than an attempt to shut down any and all discussion.)

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Posted Dec 28, 2006 9:25 UTC (Thu) by grouch (guest, #27289) [Link]

I suppose that irios' comment was supposed to point out (in a rather pointed manner) that branden's comment, which essentially boiled down to "you are not allowed to criticise anything, ever", was not only useless, but also rather hypocritical.

I fail to see how branden's comment can be "boiled down" to what you state. It is clear that elanthis was critical of the DWN editor's comment and it is clear that branden has no power to disallow that criticism. Pointing out that you cannot force a volunteer to do volunteer work is logical, not hypocritical -- there are no false beliefs evident in the comment. (As JoeBuck indicates, there might be a bit of a problem starting up a competing newsletter, but such a fork is at least possible).

If there is hypocrisy revealed, it is not in the comments by either elanthis or branden, but rather in the comment criticising branden for criticising elanthis while professing freedom, presumably of speech.

It seems pretty obvious that there are still some issues among Debian maintainers that need to be aired. This is nothing new. Those who are closely involved in work on Debian generally work out their differences and arrive at consensus. The process sometimes gets a little noisy and often appears to be nit-picking. (You might want to check the article again and see how small a part of DWN has sparked the most commentary). There are smart people involved. They will figure it out without blood-letting.

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Posted Dec 28, 2006 7:02 UTC (Thu) by JoeBuck (subscriber, #2330) [Link]

Branden,

Would the competing newsletter be hosted from debian.org, with the top link under the "News" bullet?

Of course the editor has free speech rights, but using an official publication to bash the leadership of the project seems, um, unusual.

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Posted Dec 28, 2006 17:29 UTC (Thu) by cate (subscriber, #1359) [Link]

But this is not the first time people and companies give money to DD for specific tasks. Why this time is it different? Whim from a wannabe prima donna???

There are 1000 Debian developers, but only 20-50 are important (important tasks, infrastructure, important packages, a lot of packages, number of emails..), and it seems to me that now there is an power war about some of these key developers.

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Posted Dec 27, 2006 16:47 UTC (Wed) by andrel (subscriber, #5166) [Link]

Joey S has been trying since many years to get someone with more free time to help on DWN. Nobody has stepped forward to do the work.

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Posted Dec 28, 2006 0:58 UTC (Thu) by dark (✭ supporter ✭, #8483) [Link]

In my experience, the best way to get more volunteers is to stop doing it.

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Posted Jan 5, 2007 17:24 UTC (Fri) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

This doesn't always work: witness the late lamented Kernel Traffic.

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